Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[tdhanses]

Then go hunt moose in Alaska or Canada, buy a tag in Utah, or apply elsewhere.

Wyoming does not have the moose hunting market cornered...use your options.

Truthfully I’m shocked people still invest in pts for these hunts, when you add up all the costs for pts and tag fees one could have that money in the market and pay for a hunt in Canada or Alaska. These aren’t cheap hunts when you add the total cost over the 10-15-25+ years it takes.

These should be like lotto tickets and cost $1 to put your hat in the bucket but states have found a way to make them huge profit centers and you can’t fault them there.

 

[BBob]

Those MO guys evidently didn't talk to the GW and didn't read the regulations and didn't have the memo.

They sure seemed like they knew what they were doing and seem like they did it on purpose. They had run ins with the same people in the same spot the year before so they knew what they were in for.

 

[307]

MO guys evidently didn't talk to the GW and didn't read the regulations and didn't have the memo.

I am interested in seeing how the case turns out but in the pretty near future, the only folks who will truly benefit will be the 90% locals and the 5% DIY NR who can get a tag that's not claimed by land owners and outfitters. So it really is a non-issue for the NR.

You really should have stopped at "didn't look too far into it" OR, looked much further into it before commenting.

 

[tdhanses]

Thanks - I thought they were locals - didn't look too far into it cause it's a ticket for intentionally pushing the limits. When yer a NR, you don't play games with the laws.

Here's my experience w corner crossing - went to WY antelope hunting in overcrowded Unit 1, GW said don't corner cross, it's illegal and he would ticket me/us. Also looked on the WY G&F hunting maps and they say that unless a public road touches the property stay off, and not to corner cross.

Enter Buzz and a handful of other guys who provided a memo from some GW or commissioner dude from X years ago, it says you can corner cross. Trust us. Have fun. I had the memo and still decided against testing the limits.

Those MO guys evidently didn't talk to the GW and didn't read the regulations and didn't have the memo.

I am interested in seeing how the case turns out but in the pretty near future, the only folks who will truly benefit will be the 90% locals and the 5% DIY NR who can get a tag that's not claimed by land owners and outfitters. So it really is a non-issue for the NR.

If any NR donated to that cause they are just tossing money in the trash to prop up access issues that really will only effect residents on a large scale and nothing else.

Plenty of areas to hunt without having to corner cross in WY.

Personally I hope they lose the case, they were probably talked into pushing the limit to try and drum up support on a grand scale that a resident may not attract, in the end for the benefit of residents if successful, if not it’s just more nonresidents paying into the state.

 

[BuzzH]

Truthfully I’m shocked people still invest in pts for these hunts, when you add up all the costs for pts and tag fees one could have that money in the market and pay for a hunt in Canada or Alaska. These aren’t cheap hunts when you add the total cost over the 10-15-25+ years it takes.

These should be like lotto tickets and cost $1 to put your hat in the bucket but states have found a way to make them huge profit centers and you can’t fault them there.

True story but I always wanted to hunt Shiras moose...and have shot 2 so far, one in Montana one in Wyoming. Still apply for both states and will continue to do so.

Investing money in wildlife including applying for low odds tags is fine with me. Potential pay off is worth the price.

 

[tdhanses]

True story but I always wanted to hunt Shiras moose...and have shot 2 so far, one in Montana one in Wyoming. Still apply for both states and will continue to do so.

Investing money in wildlife including applying for low odds tags is fine with me. Potential pay off is worth the price.

I thought you said these were turning to oil or did you draw it many years ago and still want to take away further opportunities from residents in WY that haven’t ever drawn?

I thought you were stepping out of the game for big 5 animals you’ve been lucky enough to hunt, giving others an op?

Oh wait, your only done with sheep since that was recent and with the change you’ll be out, you’ll glad take a tag from a resident that you’ve been lucky enough to hunt when so few residents will ever get an opportunity.

 

[Squincher]

Truthfully I’m shocked people still invest in pts for these hunts, when you add up all the costs for pts and tag fees one could have that money in the market and pay for a hunt in Canada or Alaska. These aren’t cheap hunts when you add the total cost over the 10-15-25+ years it takes.

These should be like lotto tickets and cost $1 to put your hat in the bucket but states have found a way to make them huge profit centers and you can’t fault them there.

I saw the writing on the wall 20 years ago and started doing just what you suggest. I've hunted Africa, Canada, Mexico, and South America all multiple times. If I've spent any more money than my buddies have chasing points and tags, it isn't very much, and well worth knowing for sure where and when I'm going.

 

[tdhanses]

I saw the writing on the wall 20 years ago and started doing just what you suggest. I've hunted Africa, Canada, Mexico, and South America all multiple times. If I've spent any more money than my buddies have chasing points and tags, it isn't very much, and well worth knowing for sure where and when I'm going.

Yeah if people just looked at the cost vs op, it isn’t worth the squeeze.

 

[slick]

Correct me if I am wrong... but I feel the angst against the Department is potentially unwarranted and should be directed at the Commission for adopting the proposal?

 

[KINGSNAKE]

Sitting at 12 points on moose this really doesn't hurt my feeling. I think step two will be bonus points lottery in the near future when they see massive fall off in the points scam. I am more concerned with the possible changes to deer elk and antelope. They have a real pandoras box for their preference points. I think there is about 70,000 non residents with one and two antelope preference points. I already see the writing on the wall. Looks like I'm down to only a few more wyoming hunts.

 

[tdhanses]

Correct me if I am wrong... but I feel the angst against the Department is potentially unwarranted and should be directed at the Commission for adopting the proposal?

But the commission directs, the dept collects and issues not the commission.

 

[tdhanses]

Sitting at 12 points on moose this really doesn't hurt my feeling. I think step two will be bonus points lottery in the near future when they see massive fall off in the points scam. I am more concerned with the possible changes to deer elk and antelope. They have a real pandoras box for their preference points. I think there is about 70,000 non residents with one and two antelope preference points. I already see the writing on the wall. Looks like I'm down to only a few more wyoming hunts.

Yeah my main concern is elk and deer, this win will give them confidence to really attack it, they’ll make a deal with the outfitters association to push it through.

Wonder if residents had to vote on this stuff if the results would be the same. Many I’d think would like family and friends to have some what of a chance, it isn’t like WY gives out many NR tags and residents don’t have an otc option.

 

[slick]

But the Department couldn't go forward without the consent/approval by the Commission, meaning it could have failed in front of them, yet they adopted it. So they are acting on approval from the Commission?

Right?

Edit to add: The Department would then be in violation if the they declined to go forward with Commission adopted policy. Do I have that right, or wrong?

 

[KHNC]

Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year​

Guy Eastman, Editor-In-Chief March 10, 2022 Regulations 46 Comments 29,215 Views

I see now that the moose photo was credited to Mike. But congrats, you are correct. Maybe Buzz will give you a cookie too. I dont know if its 100% correct or not, however, I would be pissed had I applied for sheep or moose. Im using my points in WY this year anyway, unless i draw NM , then i will use them next year.

 

[OMB]

I’m sure you know a lot about what is going into the task forces ears and pushing for direction with them.

Speaking of- seems the only news out of this task force I ever hear is about changing tag allocations, i.e., rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Are they actually doing anything tangible to increase numbers of game? I'm all ears if they are, but it would seem to me that would be something more productive than rejiggering tag allocations.

 

[ScottR_EHJ]

Yeah my main concern is elk and deer, this win will give them confidence to really attack it, they’ll make a deal with the outfitters association to push it through.

Wonder if residents had to vote on this stuff if the results would be the same. Many I’d think would like family and friends to have some what of a chance, it isn’t like WY gives out many NR tags and residents don’t have an otc option.

Just about every resident I have talked to has a mixed bag of feelings on this for a VARIETY of reasons. The feelings are not as black and white as people outside the state think. The issue is that the resource has limited opportunity and with the Big 5 that is even worse. With people not being able to jump back in the pool over time we will offer more people opportunities to hunt. The key word there is OVER TIME.

When it comes to deer, elk and antelope points. Having gotten to know Nevada's weighted bonus point system well...I think it will work and cycle people though offering everyone at least a chance. Odds are better but never a guarantee. A 90/10 split will certainly make those odds less, but a random chance like Nevada has still has plenty of people playing the game.

 

[Bobbyboe]

Non resident of 49 states all of which I'm fully supportive of their residents to allocate their hunting as they see fit. Including keeping 100 percent of their hunting for residents only, as north Dakota does with moose.

Seems a one way street though for nrs of Wyoming.

That’s because you already drew the top end tags and hung it up. Laughable. You got yours, so why would you care anymore.

 

[Maverick1]

What’s interesting is those that can impulsively hammer away at this topic, like keyboard warriors, going back and forth, each in a savant-like state, yet socially tone deaf.

Seems to be quite a bit of negativity with all the repetitive “I” - “you” - “you’re” - “your”……

 

[roadrunner]

So it was the Terk (David B. Terk, a Texas resident and hunter) injunction. Yes it impacted residents negatively for a long time but ultimately it was tossed.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, MARCH 24, 2014:

COURT RULING GIVES NEW MEXICO RESIDENT HUNTERS BETTER ODDS IN DRAWINGS FOR BIGHORN SHEEP, ORYX AND IBEX

ALBUQUERQUE – New Mexico resident hunters scored a big victory Monday with a U.S. District Court ruling that allows the Department of Game and Fish to reinstate quotas that give state residents a big advantage over nonresidents when applying for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex hunting licenses.

“This is an important decision and a huge win for New Mexico hunters,” said Paul Kienzle, newly elected chairman of the State Game Commission. “It’s been a long fight, but New Mexicans now have a good shot at those quality hunts, as intended by the governor and the state legislature.”

Monday’s ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Christina Armijo vacated a 1977 injunction that prohibited the Department from applying preferential quotas that benefited state residents in the drawings for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex licenses. Because of that injunction, nonresident hunters enjoyed equal odds with residents in the annual drawings.

Court Ruling Gives New Mexico Resident Hunters Better Odds in Drawings for Bighorn Sheep, Oryx and Ibex - NMDGF

New Mexico Department of Game and Fish Media contact: Rachel Shockley, (505) 476-8071 Public contact: [...]

www.wildlife.state.nm.us

Yes, I know it was tossed, thankfully. Motor-mouth Buzz stated "case law" which means the standing precedent that any litigation can't be filed because the decision has always been to dismiss the litigation against it. What I brought up had no case law until now and it did have an effect like I stated

BuzzH is too damn arrogant to understand the difference between a court decision and the process used to get that decision...

 

[Cowbell]

I hate outfitter welfare. If you run a good business you'll have a great reputation and plenty of clients no matter what. It's just one more way to get rid of the diy hunters.

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And some of them get to completely profit off a public resource that we are in short supply of. I don't mind outfitting on private land but I feel like it she be ended on public land because it is in direct conflict with other taxpayers.