Would you buy this scope?

[HuntHarder]

I know glass quality was far down on your list of important things, but its pretty important to me. Overall, what can we compare it to?

Fwiw, I think Swfa type is the absolute minimum quality I'd be interested in. Nx8/ Trijicon tenmile glass quality would be better.

I know Form said the eyebox is generous, so that's a huge plus to me as well.

 

[Gonewest]

I’m in. As far as the deposit goes, I think it should be more than $100. Maybe $500 or the full amount. Unfortunately, whatever amount it is, there’s going to be some that complain.

 

[alexnelon]

Unless there is a specific aspect of testing that requires time (like a new type of glue or lens coating that could break down) I think I've seen enough to move on to real-world testing a few hundred+ samples.

A first production run (tongue in cheek please don't hurt me) "Goons and Zealots Edition" for people in this thread who know the goal, the use case, and the possible risks, could be a helpful tool both for proofing the design and for marketing the product.

A giant thread full of serious WKR shooters abusing the same scope without issue would be a great resource to pop up when someone googles "how to stop scope losing zero"

A non-refundable deposit sounds like a happy medium. I'm happy to float $100 to get on a list.

 

[Kaleb]

In a week or two you will put more rounds than most of us in a few years.

SEND IT!

yep. what they've already took is good enough for me to buy one. If I like it as much as I'm sure I will I will buy more as available and my budget allows. With the talk of a smaller one in the future I may not put the farm up to go balls deep on the 3-18. The smaller one might be better for where I live. I would like to have a couple 3-18's though.

 

[Wprinkle]

While functionally irrelevant, there’s zero chance it was an oversight. The M seems an obvious attempt at capturing more of the tacticool bro market.

Perhaps the "scope company" is not America based.. If australian or Nordic based there may not have been a choice on Meters vs Yards....

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I’m in. As far as the deposit goes, I think it should be more than $100. Maybe $500 or the full amount. Unfortunately, whatever amount it is, there’s going to be some that complain.

I think $100 is very unlikely to develop complaint as long as the product is eventually delivered and price doesn’t spike. If it’s $500-1000 and gets delayed out a year or such folks will eventually start grumbling imho.

The purpose of the deposit in my mind is to gauge serious interest but at a value that doesn’t trigger impatience.

 

[Bobrobheimer]

I would be in for a deposit on one for the first batch.

 

[khuber84]

Hmm I’ve used several sets of them. Were you torquing to a minimum of 25in-lbs on the ring caps?

Yes, tried 25in# and 30in#. Cross bolts coming lose at torque. Used fix-it sticks and blue loktite. Never knew of paint pen back then.

Had issues with the hybrid lite rings on a 9# 300norma imp, and problems with their direct mount hybrid Tikka ring on a 8# 300wsm.

 

[Wprinkle]

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What happened there? Didn’t see mention of it.

I usually cover my "flyer" up with a quarter, that way people can see how good my 3 shot group looks

 

[Afhunter1]

I'll buy 3, but I really hope you guys turn down the branding. Everybody knows what it is. Doesn't need to stick out like a sore pecker.

Of the 2-8 I'd buy 5 if that ever comes to fruition.

 

[Formidilosus]

I know glass quality was far down on your list of important things, but its pretty important to me. Overall, what can we compare it to?

Fwiw, I think Swfa type is the absolute minimum quality I'd be interested in. Nx8/ Trijicon tenmile glass quality would be better.

I know Form said the eyebox is generous, so that's a huge plus to me as well.

No, image quality was important. It is better than Tenmile/Credo, Maven RS1.2, NF SHV, and I would say NX8- but I don’t have one here to compare yet.
Again, this isn’t a $1,000 scope. This is a $2,000 scope with the two parties taking almost no profit to sell at $999.

 

[Formidilosus]

Yes, tried 25in# and 30in#. Cross bolts coming lose at torque. Used fix-it sticks and blue loktite. Never knew of paint pen back then.

Well dang. I have a couple sets- both have been used for drop evals, I haven’t seen an issue yet. But overall I would choose NF.

Had issues with the hybrid lite rings on a 9# 300norma imp, and problems with their direct mount hybrid Tikka ring on a 8# 300wsm.

Oh yeah, those I won’t use.

 

[Gstew1930]

No matter how good the new scope is, this hurts…

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Bro you took the Minox off the XC? SHAME!

 

[letrbuck]

I'd be in for a deposit. Hell, I'll put a deposit down on a 2-8 even if the lead time is a couple of years

 

[West2East]

I'd put a deposit down, I have a feeling like I'm gonna switch to mil anyway.

 

[8nbait]

Put me on the list for two, deposit, full payment… however it has to happen, I’m in.
Been waiting a long time for “THE” scope.

Really appreciate the time and work you all have done to make this happen.

 

[prm]

Just to add to the data points, I’d put down a deposit.

I am somewhere in the middle on testing. In this case, the physical design and the design intent is known (engineers, Ryan, Form, etc.). IF that design is already proven to some degree it could reduce risk. Beating up 3 might be enough to validate the design with good confidence. If the design is entirely new and unproven, it gets harder. Proceed with testing and when all the data points to a solid design, move forward with production. No timeline.

Whatever the timeline turns into is no issue to me.

I do know that lightweight, snappy recoiling rifles eat scopes. No brake or suppressor, sharp recoil will expedite discovery of certain weaknesses.

 

[mtwarden]

I would be in for 3 too but in the 2-8 as I don't really need the 18x. I figure those might be at least a year out.

I’ll wait a year for that one too

 

[RockAndSage]

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

Rokstock orders might be a pretty good proxy, and might possibly even be on the low side of total current scope interest, as not every one of these scopes will go on a bolt gun, or a Rokstocked gun.

I'll also +1 the idea of doing a non-refundable $100 deposit. I'd be in for at least 2.

 

[solarshooter]

@Formidilosus and @Ryan Avery, hate to piss in your cereal but here is a pessimistic look at potential outcomes that might influence your decision and some of your promises on timelines here. And to state clearly up front, I'm a big fan of this design and appreciate what you've done to get it to this point.

Making any sort of snap decision based on a "6 month" timeline to squeak in before hunting season is a bad move here. It's ~February, 6 months is ~August, which is already hunting season for some. Add to that people need to mount, zero, practice, etc, and ANY slip in that stated time frame, and you're setting a bunch of people up for disappointment. And really, that was the worst part of the Rokstock (and other things in life), was that the promises didn't come true, not really that it took X months for some people. Plus, we're all adults here (at least on our IDs...), if you tell us these may take 9-12 months to get in our hands, I think those who are interested will still put deposits and participate in the whole rollout. And then, if some folks get them in 6 months, you are heroes rather than just meeting expectations.

Like I said, cynical/pessimistic take, but that's what I do best haha.