Would you buy this scope?

[rbutcher1234]

I’d buy one and beat the absolute shit out of it if people need feedback

 

[mtnbound]

LOW knows how to make a scope that passes the test, if asked. Form knows how to test scopes quickly. That's the easy part...

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

I will commit to 3 right now based on what I have seen.

 

[Ryan Avery]

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HA! That snowmachine looks like a form-approved scope...

 

[Formidilosus]

Not saying you need to do this, but if you wanted to speed things up and maybe give yourself some cool videos for marketing while you’re at it, you could put these through an actual vibration and shock lab. You could bolt these things to a vibe table and simulate 10 years of bouncing around in the back of a truck in 5 minutes if you wanted to. There are actually already pre manufactured “vibe levels” for just this purpose.

Like if you wanted to make your tests 100% repeatable between scopes and results absolutely clinical that would be the process. Vibe and shock is part of the qualification for all critical parts in aerospace, automotive, etc so there’s several places in the US that do it.

Or… duct tape your rifle to an old Maytag washing machine, throw some bricks in it, set the spin speed to high, and film the chaos that ensues.

Every manufacturer does that, including LOW. The issue is it tells you nothing unless the scope rattles when you are done. It’s doesn’t tell you anything about zero retention.


As for testing scopes, every scope will be tested in a collimator before it ships to the customer.

 

[swavescatter]

Not saying you need to do this, but if you wanted to speed things up and maybe give yourself some cool videos for marketing while you’re at it, you could put these through an actual vibration and shock lab. You could bolt these things to a vibe table and simulate 10 years of bouncing around in the back of a truck in 5 minutes if you wanted to. There are actually already pre manufactured “vibe levels” for just this purpose.

Like if you wanted to make your tests 100% repeatable between scopes and results absolutely clinical that would be the process. Vibe and shock is part of the qualification for all critical parts in aerospace, automotive, etc so there’s several places in the US that do it.

Or… duct tape your rifle to an old Maytag washing machine, throw some bricks in it, set the spin speed to high, and film the chaos that ensues.

I’ve done quite a bit of modal/vibe/shock testing. The challenge is always that we qualify to some MIL-STD 810X spec, but the actual environment experienced isn’t known until deployment. If ever. These basic transportation specs aren’t that illuminating, and they’re not not how you learn anything about your device. Just survival usually.

In short, you can spend hundreds of thousands on this and still not have information to build a better product unless it’s done correctly.

 

[HuntHarder]

100$ deposits. Ensures the buyer has some skin in the game, helps a young company get an idea of actual upfront demand.

 

[Formidilosus]

100$ deposits. Ensures the buyer has some skin in the game, helps a young company get an idea of actual upfront demand.

This was my suggestion.

 

[Ryan Avery]

What is the mounting space (will there be any wiggle room on a long action Bat Vesper/Kelbly Nanook/Defiance Anti-X)? Is the initial run going to be offered at $1,000?

There is a little wiggle room on a LA. Yes $999

 

[tim tarras]

I would be in for 3 too but in the 2-8 as I don't really need the 18x. I figure those might be at least a year out.

 

[benconfused]

Im open to prepay, already budgeted for 2.

 

[waspocrew]

100$ non-refundable deposits. Ensures the buyer has some skin in the game, helps a young company get an idea of actual upfront demand.

Added in bold. I would think this would be easier, instead of issuing refunds if people change minds. If you want it, you want it.

 

[199p]

Sounds like Form has already answered his own questions, because if these are the best that low can make, and they make other scopes that pass the drop test, and there isn't a better option in terms of internals, then send it and place the order.
I love the process, even if chances are slim i can even get my hands on one.

 

[BAKPAKR]

There is a little wiggle room on a LA. Yes $999

I would pre-pay for one. I really like that reticle. You guys did a great job.

 

[Ice-kub]

Non refundable deposit is the way. Probably have a few jump ship but not near as many.

 

[Fowl Play]

I’ve done quite a bit of modal/vibe/shock testing. The challenge is always that we qualify to some MIL-STD 810X spec, but the actual environment experienced isn’t known until deployment. If ever. These basic transportation specs aren’t that illuminating, and they’re not not how you learn anything about your device. Just survival usually.

In short, you can spend hundreds of thousands on this and still not have information to build a better product unless it’s done correctly.

Same, have spent days in vibe/ shock labs. They are pass/fail tests. I’m saying if he bolted the rifle to a table and then ran a punisher of a vibe spec for some off-road Baja style race car and it still held zero… he’d be golden. I could cook up some GRMS levels….

Not needed and agreed those tests are typically very very specific for given mounting conditions in a vehicle, etc. but you could be super conservative with the test and it would be fun to see. I’m sure he can cook up some accelerated testing to give them confidence prior to ordering without all that though.

 

[Ryan Avery]

I want to emphasize that these scopes, priced at $999, represent an incredible value. Our profit margins on these products are quite slim. If another retailer were to sell them, the price would likely be $1,800 or more.

This isn't a sales pitch or an attempt to hype things up. You all in this thread are the inner circle and understand the goals we are trying to achieve.

 

[atmat]

I’ll buy two tomorrow. Would love to have these for hunting season.

 

[rafiki]

 

[MT_Wyatt]

I want to emphasize that these scopes, priced at $999, represent an incredible value. Our profit margins on these products are quite slim. If another retailer were to sell them, the price would likely be $1,800 or more.

This isn't a sales pitch or an attempt to hype things up. You all in this thread are the inner circle and understand the goals we are trying to achieve.

Really like the $100 non-refundable deposit thing, gets skin in the game and you gauge the number much better.

Would also like to suggest you perhaps limit #/person if you’re capped on production. Maybe 2/psn and if you don’t fill up open it all the way?

 

[Kyguy]

Everyone understands that it's not a get rich scheme for you guys