Would you buy this scope?

[RockAndSage]

It’s not. I used a graph board at 100 yards and tried to measure what the reticle dimensions were for most of it, as a true diagram for the THLR wasn’t available- while talking in the phone with the engineer, and guesstimating how much to change the THLR to make it correct for a 3-18x scope. Haha.

Damn, that's awesome. This thing just gets more and more interesting. Just so I understand...it sounds like you kinda trued it up a bit for 3-18 magnification and field-usage?

 

[huntnful]

It’s not. I used a graph board at 100 yards and tried to measure what the reticle dimensions were for most of it, as a true diagram for the THLR wasn’t available- while talking in the phone with the engineer, and guesstimating how much to change the THLR to make it correct for a 3-18x scope. Haha.

FWIW I looked everywhere for the original thickness measurements of the THLR before I even asked. I couldn’t find them. Scope looks great. Looking forward to the testing

 

[Formidilosus]

I think this is an excellent idea.

I've not been bothered by the 0.1 mil marks on the uber-tall SWFA turrets, but on a low profile turret they're awfully close to the numbers. If you don't actually get rid of them, please consider shortening them (perhaps to the point of being dots).

I asked a bunch of people about that- the idea was a turnoff to all of them. In hand the turret lettering is very obvious.

 

[RockAndSage]

FWIW I looked everywhere for the original thickness measurements of the THLR before I even asked. I couldn’t find them. Scope looks great. Looking forward to the testing

@Dobermann , you have these handy?

 

[Formidilosus]

Damn, that's awesome. This thing just gets more and more interesting. Just so I understand...it sounds like you kinda trued it up a bit for 3-18 magnification and field-usage?

Correct.

 

[nm.otter]

I asked a bunch of people about that- the idea was a turnoff to all of them. In hand the turret lettering is very obvious.

Any thoughts about shorter marks (or dots)?

 

[Formidilosus]

I am trying to be as clinical as I can be here…

But this scope was on a table at an event with 20’ish other high end new scopes. No one knew anything about it, and weren’t told anything- and was by far the most re-picked up, and commented on scope there. It was actually comical. Every person picked it as the most impressive/interesting scope at the event.

The design (without shooting yet) is bad ass.

 

[Formidilosus]

Any thoughts about shorter marks (or dots)?

It can be looked at, I guess I’m not seeing the issue. It is obvious in hand. One of the requirements was for @mtnwrunner blind azz to be able to see the turrets marking from across the room. I’m pretty sure it does that.

 

[Stocky]

I don't get it isn't mils metric why wouldnt the parallax be in M. The only only option that makes sense would be to measure it in size 9 Crocs being thats Ryan's preferred metric.

 

[Dobermann]

@Dobermann , you have these handy?

Minox's marked-up reticle is in the ZP 5 Q&A thread.

@huntnful

 

[nm.otter]

I guess I’m not seeing the issue. It is obvious in hand. One of the requirements was for @mtnwrunner blind azz to be able to see the turrets marking from across the room. I’m pretty sure it does that.

I can see across the room just fine (and read street signs at 200+ yards).

It's generally close vision that deteriorates with age, so a turret (or a level) at 12" blurs for a lot of us. Find some over 50 types who don't wear glasses except for reading or close work and see what they see.

 

[RockAndSage]

Minox's marked-up reticle is in the ZP 5 Q&A thread.

@huntnful

Found it: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...25x56mm-thlr-scope.253284/page-4#post-2480142

 

[Dobermann]

ya caught us we want to make sure the larpers would buy it.

Or there could be several legitimate answers with a PROTOTYPE. Or where else it’s being sold…

Like ... to the rest of the world outside of the 'imperial system' US.

This thing is going to go gangbusters in Australia and NZ.

 

[huntnful]

Found it: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...25x56mm-thlr-scope.253284/page-4#post-2480142

Very nice! Thank you!

 

[Formidilosus]

I can see across the room just fine (and read street signs at 200+ yards).

It's generally close vision that deteriorates with age, so a turret (or a level) at 12" blurs for a lot of us. Find some over 50 types who don't wear glasses except for reading or close work and see what they see.

So how does getting rid of marks help you? If you can’t see them, you have to count no matter what between whole mils.

 

[Dobermann]

Measuring pixels on the photo of the 18x reticle posted on page 115 would indicate that the center dot is 0.2mrads.

Can we start a 'Next Level Rokslide Nerd Award'?

Respect.

Although will be interesting to see whether the combination of photo + pixels measures up ...

[Edited to add ... I hadn't seen that Form has already posted the measurement. @Chris in TN: want to get your nerd on even more and do the conversion??]

 

[Dobermann]

Maybe not adjusting it, but is there a difference if it is fixed at 100 vs 50? Most scopes that are "rimfire" 50, while most centerfire seem to be 100.

Not in the rimfire competition world.

50 metres is considered too much - even 20 is considered a hinderance. 10 m is where it's at.

 

[HuntHarder]

Meters not Metres. 'Merica! (Not really.)

Reticle could grow on me with use. At first look, it looks "busy" without knowing all the reasons for each aspect of it. Could very well end up being my first Mil scope. Did it come in at 26-27 oz?

 

[Dobermann]

Meters not Metres. 'Merica! (Not really.)

Reticle could grow on me with use. At first look, it looks "busy" without knowing all the reasons for each aspect of it. Could very well end up being my first Mil scope. Did it come in at 26-27 oz?

I sometimes try to type American spellings when on here so as to not freak you guys out ... but was using metres on purpose to see who would bite!

But seriously - for those who think this reticle is 'busy':
1. Read @THLR's post a few pages back about why many of the features disappear in use.
2. Read @Formidilosus review of the ZP5, where he confirms this is true.
3. Read the entire ZP5 review and the Q&A threads, study the reticle subtensions mark-up, and watch all of THLR's videos. Do it all over again.
4. Now come back and look at this version of the reticle ... it will appear incredibly simplified, intuitive, and functional.

And to prevent the peanut gallery 'Rokslide is a cult' comments, don't trust me ... do all of the above yourself and you'll feel like Neo in the Matrix.

 

[Holocene]

Or get rid of the “m”
People can just assume it’s yards or meters

Too smart