Would you buy this scope?

[SDHNTR]

How thick are the tube walls? Will it be able to handle real ring screw torque values?

 

[Formidilosus]

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Could @THLR or @Formidilosus say more on why the bottom post comes so far up? It does seem to make a definitive "lead in" for the eye to the aim point, however it only allows for ~1.5mils holdover, and feels like the post may obscure a decent amount of the target in some cases. Is there some logic that any more holdover and it becomes hard to align the wind holds without an xmas tree? Or that +/-1mil is enough hold over/under, and you ought to dial beyond that?

Overall looks amazing and appreciate all the thought and experience put into this design.

The bottom post becomes the aiming point in very low light, close range, fast shooting. You aim at heart or low lungs and go. It’s is extremely intuitive and works very well.
@THLR can correct or educate on the initial design reasons, however the windage being so far from center does a couple things: with the bottom post you do not need windage to bracket. It greatly opens the FOV up- the reticle visually feels like there is nothing in your way of the target (read what he wrote above about vision).

And yes- 1.5 mils is enough. People do not hold on the reticle for elevation in real life- you dial elevation and hold wind.

 

[jfk69]

I dunno... looks like optical quality really drops off at the edges at 3x

 

[solarshooter]

The bottom post becomes the aiming point in very low light, close range, fast shooting. You aim at heart or low lungs and go. It’s is extremely intuitive and works very well.

This makes sense, basically gives you a very strong signal and BDC like aiming out to ~350yds without having to read any numbers. Arguably you could carry with 0.5-1mil dialed and use the hold under, and have BDC behavior out to ~450-500. So I do see how this much total marked reticle is plenty for this application.

And yes- 1.5 mils is enough. People do not hold on the reticle for elevation in real life- you dial elevation and hold wind.

In some other examples you've given with a field of fire spanning 2-300yds, this is enough reticle for the "target disappears and reappears elsewhere" scenario. But if the field of fire was like 1-600 you'd be off the useful range of the reticle. However understand this is a pretty extreme and maybe very unlikely scenario, ie your target is at very short range, disappears, and reappears at basically max terminal range, and you don't have time to dial.

Edit, I think I answered my own question here, disregard haha.

 

[Mountainrancher]

There are multiple small design items that can be seen, that correct issues on other scopes:
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Short elevation turret? Index finger touching the tube. It’s not tall.
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Low profile windage- no problem.
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Pinky tinger-
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Are the prototypes all the same size? Side by side pic looks very goofy

 

[Nine Banger]

As for dropping it on the SHOT floor......back in the early 2000's a client told us how their entire staff ended up with new IBM/Lenovo computers and laptops. Both the Dell and IBM salesmen were in a meeting going head to head about various features and looking dead even. At the end of the meeting, as the story was told to me and the guy I worked for at the time, the IBM guy said 'well, will the Dell handle this?' and threw his IBM laptop onto the floor. It survived. The Dell guy declined to participate. The client bought all IBM.

Form used to be a computer rep?

 

[9487329]

Fantastic with regards to reticle, eyebox, size, turrets, parralax- it is beyond what Ryan or I had hoped for.

Very exciting. I look forward to reading a revamped version of the Minox ZP5 reticle breakdown for this scope.

 

[streamerfish]

Looks pretty good to me. Should work good as a German #4 ish type reticle in the brush and dark timber close range shooting.

Easy to see hold over for most people at 200, 300 and 350 yards roughly (box line, aim high dot, tip of vertical line). Then a transition into dialing.

Always hard to have a really good idea until you look through it yourself. But, based on the pics I really like where you ended up on the reticle. On paper its more or less perfect for my hunting use.

Dang, now I gotta just find something used to tide me over until these come to market.

 

[Okie_Poke]

I sure hope these pass the durability testing on the first go. It's going to be a major bummer if we're waiting another year, though less of a bummer than if they were to sell them before they're ready.

 

[streamerfish]

I sure hope these pass the durability testing on the first go. It's going to be a major bummer if we're waiting another year, though less of a bummer than if they were to sell them before they're ready.

Yeah....You never know until you know.

But, considering its made by LOW, I am going to guess that it is being built on one the pre-existing "component" setups that is already well known to be drop test proof/durable.

Still gotta test it, but I will assume its not some kind of complete from the ground up new design with all new components. Soo, chances should be pretty good.

 

[Okie_Poke]

Yeah....You never know until you know.

But, considering its made by LOW, I am going to guess that it is being built on one the pre-existing "component" setups that is already well known to be drop test proof/durable.

Still gotta test it, but I will assume its not some kind of complete from the ground up new design with all new components. Soo, chances should be pretty good.

I know, and I'm hopeful. But Murphy is an asshole.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

He's about to throw that bag down the hall, I can feel it....

Or maybe they're gonna put scopes in tube socks and beat the shit outta the most annoying person(s) in this thread, "to test durability".

 

[nm.otter]

Both the Dell and IBM salesmen were in a meeting going head to head about various features and looking dead even. At the end of the meeting, as the story was told to me and the guy I worked for at the time, the IBM guy said 'well, will the Dell handle this?' and threw his IBM laptop onto the floor. It survived. The Dell guy declined to participate. The client bought all IBM.

Panasonic ToughBooks owned that space before the ThinkPad T-Series ate their lunch.

I was at the local stationery store back in the day looking at TI programmable calculators. The HP rep was there pitching their new offering (a fair bit more expensive) and I asked him why I should buy theirs. He picked up the demo unit and winged it, skittering across the floor and caroming off the base of a display case on the other side of the store. He picked it up, turned it on, and handed it to me, saying "That's why."

I bought the HP (and still own it).

 

[keystone112]

Sounds like HP should be making the scope.

 

[alexnelon]

I sure hope these pass the durability testing on the first go. It's going to be a major bummer if we're waiting another year, though less of a bummer than if they were to sell them before they're ready.

I think the drop tests should be filmed in one continuous, uncut video, with PNP of the target, and the target camera in view with the camera on the shooter.

Just to avoid any accusations.

 

[feanor]

I’m less interested in these scopes and more interested in the battle of laptop computers and their history.

 

[Schmo]

I think the drop tests should be filmed in one continuous, uncut video, with PNP of the target, and the target camera in view with the camera on the shooter.

Just to avoid any accusations.

Probably not. We don’t cater to nitpickers. If someone has a problem with an eval that’s not continuously filmed, that’s their problem.

 

[offthebeatenpath]

Or maybe they're gonna put scopes in tube socks and beat the shit outta the most annoying person(s) in this thread, "to test durability".

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I fully support this.

 

[RickF]

If it weighs less than 25 oz I will take two.

 

[alexnelon]

Probably not. We don’t cater to nitpickers. If someone has a problem with an eval that’s not continuously filmed, that’s their problem.

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes"