Worst thing to ever happen to elk hunting

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WKR
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Even living in and around the areas I elk hunt and scouting extensively (over 30 days this summer), I continue to be surprised at how much boots on the ground and topo scouting fail to reconcile with one another, how cumbersome and slow getting around off piste in elk country is and how endlessly difficult elk hunting is even when you have things figured out.

Now, I resent the entitlement of social media information. People who often have not invested the work (any work at all) ask questions looking for information that is shared publicly. Some other people, apparently who feel empowered by sharing details that they should not be sharing on public forums, tend to respond in great detail. In some sense, the layers of mystery are pulled back because all one has to do is ask a bunch of questions on the internet and they feel empowered enough to make plans that are well beyond their experience level. I am shocked by the amount of hunters who seem to know absolutely nothing, 0, about about backpacking, backcountry camping, cold weather etc who are planning “pack hunts” for elk, in some cases even into 3rd rifle season. I can only imagine what kind of disastrous failures that are going down in elk country, how many first hunts absolutely fall apart within the first couple of hours and how many people are experiencing the most humbling set of circumstances they will experience in their entire lives.

Silver lining? I can only speculate that many hunters who over extend themselves after feeling emboldened by easy accessible information are absolutely crushed by the reality and we will hit a tipping point where enough crushed aspirations result in the De romanticism of Western Hunting. I recall once walking by the bus station in Nashville and seeing a kid getting off a bus with a guitar case in hand and laughing out loud. That’s the state of social media hunting.
 

CJF

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Oh yeah, it's the worst.....but I'm definitely gonna hunt a small meadow and wallow I found on OnX before the weekend!!!!
 

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Scrappy

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Ya have completely missed it. The very worst thing to happen to elk hunting is dudes painting their face and then getting on YouTube and acting like a fool. Make painting your face illegal and you would eliminate the a ton of folks on the mountains. Its the only reason for a boat load of new hunters.😀😀😀
 

amassi

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Seams reasonable. I'm not one to analyze statistics regularly but I'm seeing the same thing your seeing and it doesnt make sense to me that hunter numbers are down.
Alot of this drop in hunters can be attributed to the loss of family farms east of the Mississippi. As family farms were bought up or generations left the industry and moved to the burbs they left hunting behind. I've also seen studies where access was limited or priced people out of hunting leases as "managers" sought to grow trophy whitetail bucks and stopped giving friends access in exchange for leasing out the hunting rights.
Hunting west of the Mississippi is thriving, point creep, loss of otc hunts et el.

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Will_m

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This is an interesting mentality. Someone found a way to get good information with less effort and people get mad that they are working harder for the same or similar information.

Not really an accurate characterization of the original post or the situation as a whole and a pretty classic ad hominem attack rather than substantively addressing the point raised. Adds nothing except showcasing a loose grasp on logic and reason.

To the original point, I agree that most of the online mapping and gps stuff is a detriment. No doubt it is great to have and use, but it obviously has an impact on the usable resource. On the whole, if you make things easier, they will generally get worse for the user. It is a collective action problem -- nothing wrong with allowing townspeople to graze cattle on the town square, right up until everyone is doing it.

And to address the inevitable "well nobody said you had to use GPS or online mapping!" That's not the problem. It's not the individual use of it, but the collective use of it.

I wish the stuff didn't exist. I would trade convenience for making things more difficult. That is to say, opportunity to hunt a given area should remain the same, but the actual substance of hunting should be more difficult.
 

Artanis95

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Honestly I don't see the electronic mapping being detrimental at all it's the exact same maps and information that you could obtain with a quick visit or phone call to the blm or forest service and reading books or magazines or local publications 10 or 15 years ago.
On top of that people spend more days at work in the office than they used to pouring over information aaalllll year getting ready for that one hunt they get to go on once that year more power to them if they're successful then they wind up here selling nice once used gear😀.
But seriously the information has always been there it's always largely been free until recently (you pay for base maps and onX ) and easy to find the only thing that's changed is the method in which it's been delivered.
If I was going to beef on unfair technology in the woods it would be drones and trail cams, Trail cams really get my goat....
 

KHNC

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You do realize that people have been using free aerial imagery/satellite imagery to scout for a couple decades now, right? I have been using aerial imagery since the early 2000's to scout national forests lands, large private parcels and public lands in other states. Google Earth, Google Maps, USGS satellite imagery, state and local online GIS parcel data has been readily available, for free, for many years. OnX, Gaia and things like that are just a relatively new concept that has put tons of available data right in one spot. Now, instead of cross-referencing aerial photos from different places and trying to overlay them on GMU maps, animal migration/range maps, roads maps, trail maps, etc, it's all available in one handy place now. Just seems to me you are mad someone else found your PUBLIC hunting spot. Remember, they had to walk their just like you did. Yes, maybe they found it by looking at an online map, but that online map didn't magically teleport them to that spot.
Actually, im just gonna ride my e-bike to the spot. No need for excessive walking. :)
 
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