Wolves are bad???

[journeyman713]

Turns out wolves might just not be so great after all. Shocker.
What a dilemma for the tree hugging State.

California wolf problem

 

[justin davis]

There is a reason we eliminated them back in the day

 

[MD97756]

No!?!! Say it isn’t so!!! An apex predator at the top of the food chain is a problem? I’m in Oregon, they pretend wolves aren’t a problem here too

 

[Hondo64d]

They are neither good nor bad. They just need to be population managed like any other game animal.

John

 

[Ouzel]

not giving any support by any means to an introduction, but the moving of known stock killing wolves from the Rez in Oregon to Colorado, so the Feds could circumvent their own rules was a recipe for disaster. Fortunately the second request for wolves was denied, and now the attempt to bring more from BC is being shot down.
Thank you Brian Nesvik, wish you could have done more for Wyoming when you held the reins there, but unfortunately your hands were tied pretty tight by the Feds at that time.

 

[7RemMag]

There is a reason we eliminated them back in the day

All manner of species were eliminated and extirpated from parts of, or the entirety of their native range for all kinds of reasons “back in the day”. Our nation was still growing at a rapid pace , and the understanding of the natural world even a few decades ago was not what it is today.

The “reason” wolves were nearly eradicated was for the same reason that they aren’t wanted on the landscape today by a certain demographic. They were an inconvenience. Particularly at a time when our forefathers did away with virtually anything that was an inconvenience with little regard for what might or might not be even a few years into the future. There was very little foresight applied to much of anything. Now we’re paying for it.

I don’t agree with a lot of the policy relating to apex predators in this country. It’s a pipe dream, but I do believe that if both sides of this issue would cooperate, a very reasonable management plan, or rather plans, could be adopted that could work really well for all parties. Unfortunately, neither side is really willing to cooperate, and so we end up with situations like this one. Everyone could win, but instead noone and nothing does. Comments like this one don’t really help either.

 

[displacedtexan]

They are neither good nor bad. They just need to be population managed like any other game animal.

John

Exactly.

Turning loose an apex predator with no management or fear of man is just asking for problems.

Shocker, they are creating problems.

In other big news, meth is bad for you.

 

[displacedtexan]

All manner of species were eliminated and extirpated from parts of, or the entirety of their native range for all kinds of reasons “back in the day”. Our nation was still growing at a rapid pace , and the understanding of the natural world even a few decades ago was not what it is today.

The “reason” wolves were nearly eradicated was for the same reason that they aren’t wanted on the landscape today by a certain demographic. They were an inconvenience.

I don’t agree with a lot of the policy relating to apex predators in this country. It’s a pipe dream, but I do believe that if both sides of this issue would cooperate, a very reasonable management plan, or rather plans, could be adopted that could work really well for all parties. Unfortunately, neither side is really willing to cooperate, and so we end up with situations like this one. Everyone could win, but instead noone and nothing does.

I for one don’t mind that there are wolves on the landscape provided there is a sensible management strategy including regulated hunting where applicable. Livestock producers shouldn’t have their hands tied when predators are killing their livestock. All living creatures were put on this earth to be utilized as a resource and serve a purpose. Wolves are no different just because they’re cute and cuddly.

And I bet a compromise plan would allow for wolves in more places.

Because they could be managed to not be the problem they currently are for some people.

 

[7RemMag]

And I bet a compromise plan would allow for wolves in more places.

Because they could be managed to not be the problem they currently are for some people.

I apologize. It seems you quoted my comment before I did some extensive editing.

I absolutely agree. That “M” word is critical, and there are individuals who don’t feel that any management should be done, and there are those that feel that “management” equates to seeking eradication. The ideal scenario is neither of those.

 

[journeyman713]

The proponents of wolves, are just a bit too insulated from the hard truth, and of course they feel qualified to manage it too. Then 70 cattle get eaten, from one ranch, or a herd of wildlife gets decimated.

I'd like to see the expression on their faces when, Fluffy gets taken out, because when they got what they asked for, it was supposed to be, in someone else's neighborhood.

 

[Beendare]

OMG, How stupid are these people?

How much resource going to try to control an uncontrollable species while other species get left in the dust?

From the article;
The decision to euthanize the wolves followed a months-long effort to combat the surge in Sierra Valley cattle kills through "hazing" methods such as firing guns into the air, using trucks and ATVs to shoo wolves away, shooting non-lethal bean bags and harassing wolves with drone noises.

This summer, Fish and Wildlife staff spent 18,000 hours engaging in 95 hazing operations across 114 days at 18 ranches. Staff also helped facilitate investigations into cattle deaths, which allow ranchers to claim government compensation.

THIS IS THE CLAIM BY ANTI HUNTERS AND WOLF LOVERS [which are one in the same]

Article;The wolves' return has been praised by conservationists for its ecosystem balancing effect.

By controlling deer and elk populations, gray wolves allow overgrazed vegetation and trees to regrow, creating ripple effects that boost biodiversity and improve the overall health of the landscape.

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So instead of allowing more hunting which not only is very easy to control and hit harvest objectives, AND it provides healthy protein for families...... they bring in an uncontrollable species that has proven to be very difficult and expensive to control.

The stupidity is beyond belief. Humans will never advance until they learn from history.

 

[Ross]

Only good wolf is a dead one as noted above there was a reason they were eradicated they are not endangered and they should be shoot on sight 365. The crazy world we live in, think it is a cuddly movie with wolves in the mix

 

[mt terry d]

"This summer, Fish and Wildlife staff spent 18,000 hours engaging in 95 hazing operations across 114 days at 18 ranches. Staff also helped facilitate investigations into cattle deaths, which allow ranchers to claim government compensation"

Nice gig with our $$$. Sounds fun.

Of course the F&G like wolves.

Government modus operandi :
Step 1 Create problem.
Step 2 Claim to be able to solve problem.
Step 3 Fail to solve problem
Step 3 Claim failure due to lack of $$$ and manpower
Step 4 If public screams hard enough refer to Step 1

 

[rickyw]

The proponents of wolves, are just a bit too insulated from the hard truth, and of course they feel qualified to manage it too. Then 70 cattle get eaten, from one ranch, or a herd of wildlife gets decimated.

I'd like to see the expression on their faces when, Fluffy gets taken out, because when they got what they asked for, it was supposed to be, in someone else's neighborhood.

Wolves have in the past eaten dogs within the city limits of Fairbanks AK.

A great book on wolves and wolf management is Jim Reardens book wolves of Alaska. Very balanced point of view.
In short, maintaining the proper ratio of wolves to prey allows excellent numbers of moose and caribou while also allowing plenty of wolves.

 

[henkel19]

They're a problem here in WI. Simply letting states manage them like other species would be a massive first step. Unfortunately they're just too good of a symbol to motivate the general public. Anti-hunting groups will never stop using them for political leverage. We have a proven state directed system in place here. Use it.