Wolf pack in CO

[mt100gr.]

Little sidetrack here, but that's a great example of the most hunted, most tags, most "popular " animals paying the bills. That's a lot of field time/data to count that many elk. The Region 1 goat biologist here was hoping to get ONE day in the air last year to count mountain goats in areas where native populations are disappearing....

No derail intended but keeping a wolf thread on the tracks is kinda like, well....

 

[WV Mountaineer]

Here's what I know...in 1995 Wyoming killed 17,695 elk with a total population of 85,000, in 2013 Wyoming killed 25,968 elk with a total population of 101,000 post harvest.

Population estimates for 2018 post harvest was 104,800 prior to calves hitting the ground. In 2018 harvest was 25,091 elk.

Wyoming has been killing around 25K elk a year for the last 10 years or so with an overall success rate of over 40%. Pretty good considering how bad some people suck at hunting elk.

Pretty good for a State where the wolves ate all the elk...don't you think?

Good info. You got a lot of great experience to offer people with an obvious great deal of knowledge. So, is it habitat related, bad hunters, etc..... What about Idaho? Does landowner patterns cause a difference?

 

[ndbuck09]

Get off the computer and your ass...lots of season left to control them.

Well if Bernie or AOC were in charge I wouldn't have to do this thing called work and could just do a thing called "collect". Then I could be out in the mountains all the time. Or if slimy libs weren't involved in the wolf thing I could shoot the things in the summer when I'm out scouting and run into em, when there's not a season open at this point. *sidenote: I'm trying to register for the total archery challenge in big sky right now but the site is crashing so I'm on rokslide. Might get out in the hills later.

 

[Ross]

Someone avoided their calling and should have been a politician the way they deflect and avoid simple questions and live in fairy tale land...do you care to answer this question that may provide any validation to the data spewed.....
buzz have you ever received funding from environmental groups for your "studies?"
in conclusion wolves kill elk, in remote places they kill a lot of elk and will be a place you may not want to hunt.... Buzz is the best elk killer I’ve heard of who can kill a cow in a matter of hours and be home.....me and many others who hunt heavily infested wolf country that is far removed from our homes know nothing, see nothing are lazy and better improve our skills good luck in 2020

 

[LandYacht]

^ contributes nothing to this conversation. C’mon man, you’re better than this.


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[Mike7]

Elk will likely adapt to wolves in Colorado like they have done elsewhere.

And Colorado is more open country like Wyoming (compared to somewhere like N. ID), thus potentially allowing easier access to wolves through the scope of a rifle?

But I think that hunters in Colorado may be rightly concerned, when you consider how unlikely it will be that Colorado will be able to manage wolves anything like Wyoming, where basically wolves are killed on site in any manner possible in 85% of the state, and their numbers controlled very tightly in the other 15%.

 

[Beendare]

Care to talk about those?

The only person making a correlation between more wolves equating to more elk tags is you. As WB pointed out, elk have increased in number in spite of wolves, not because of them. Big difference.

More BS....

You mean have a discussion with a guy that claims to have gotten us into this mess in the first place with his "Reseach"? No thanks.....

Pull your skirt down....you're bias towards wolves is showing.

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[BroodBuster]

I’ve only read a few posts from folks I knew I’d agree with so I have a question........

Has anybody’s mind been changed?

 

[slick]

The best thing that can happen now is that Colorado Park's and Wildlife have been on top of things and have hunting and trapping as a management tool available to them when the time comes.

As others have said, they need to determine how many wolves are necessary to allow state management and get state management ASAP.

Ideally the ballot initiate doesn't pass, but I think we all know the odds of that. So to be proactive I think hunters of CO need to be on CPW about their management plan and where wolf management is headed in the future.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

The best thing that can happen now is that Colorado Park's and Wildlife have been on top of things and have hunting and trapping as a management tool available to them when the time comes.

As others have said, they need to determine how many wolves are necessary to allow state management and get state management ASAP.

Ideally the ballot initiate doesn't pass, but I think we all know the odds of that. So to be proactive I think hunters of CO need to be on CPW about their management plan and where wolf management is headed in the future.

Cone on. Trapping is off the books almost guaranteed. Until they start killing pets. Then only maybe.

A question was asked about Idaho. More then a question was posed as to the vadity of the elk populations claimed in Montana and Wyoming. No answers as to the potential likelihood of error.


I’ve done wildlife counts. Dozens and dozens of times. With plots, with observations, with every means employed to do such. With so few samples to represent any herd, it’d be real easy to get it one way or the other by simply one misrepresentation.


The questions still remain. Is Buzz speaking of anything but statistical representation. It isn’t like timber or fish studies. Big game Population estimates are conducted and have a very wide margin of error. Are the current estimates conducted in a way to prevent that?

 

[Bigjay73]

I’ve only read a few posts from folks I knew I’d agree with so I have a question........

Has anybody’s mind been changed?

Mine has changes over the year's, not by this thread. I've done some research, and dont see them as the threat some do, I used to a absolutely loathe wolves. That being said I really dont want funds wasted on introducing them to Co, just seems pointless.

 

[Bigjay73]

The best thing that can happen now is that Colorado Park's and Wildlife have been on top of things and have hunting and trapping as a management tool available to them when the time comes.

As others have said, they need to determine how many wolves are necessary to allow state management and get state management ASAP.

Ideally the ballot initiate doesn't pass, but I think we all know the odds of that. So to be proactive I think hunters of CO need to be on CPW about their management plan and where wolf management is headed in the future.

I think it absolutely can be voted down with intelligent advertising.

 

[BuzzH]

Someone avoided their calling and should have been a politician the way they deflect and avoid simple questions and live in fairy tale land...do you care to answer this question that may provide any validation to the data spewed.....
buzz have you ever received funding from environmental groups for your "studies?"
in conclusion wolves kill elk, in remote places they kill a lot of elk and will be a place you may not want to hunt.... Buzz is the best elk killer I’ve heard of who can kill a cow in a matter of hours and be home.....me and many others who hunt heavily infested wolf country that is far removed from our homes know nothing, see nothing are lazy and better improve our skills good luck in 2020

I don't answer stupid questions, I don't bandy words or suffer fools.

But you did get some things right in this post, wolves kill elk, and deer, and coyotes, and moose, etc. etc. Show me where anyone has ever denied that.

I'm also pretty good at finding and killing elk...did so today, had one shot and in game bags by 10:50 this morning. Thanks for the good luck in 2020, even though its not needed.

Never got out of its bed:

I also have spent a fair bit of time hunting wolf central in Montana for elk...found 4 bulls this day, 3 six points all about the same size and their raghorn running mate.

Killed one of the six points, 12 hours of hiking that day:

Same area a few years later, on the last day, a bit closer maybe 8 hours from the truck:

Another from the same country:

 

[BuzzH]

Sometimes, in wyoming, you can drive right up and load them in truck, funny the wolves missed this one, sort of tough to, not see the rack:

A nearby Wyoming rancher missed a large wolf within a couple miles of where these bulls my wife and I killed on back to back days:

A couple more Wyoming elk that survived the wolves:

Another one my wife shot:

Anyway, back the discussion on wolves...don't want everyone to realize that the wolves haven't eaten all the elk...

 

[BuzzH]

Cone on. Trapping is off the books almost guaranteed. Until they start killing pets. Then only maybe.

A question was asked about Idaho. More then a question was posed as to the vadity of the elk populations claimed in Montana and Wyoming. No answers as to the potential likelihood of error.


I’ve done wildlife counts. Dozens and dozens of times. With plots, with observations, with every means employed to do such. With so few samples to represent any herd, it’d be real easy to get it one way or the other by simply one misrepresentation.


The questions still remain. Is Buzz speaking of anything but statistical representation. It isn’t like timber or fish studies. Big game Population estimates are conducted and have a very wide margin of error. Are the current estimates conducted in a way to prevent that?

I look at observed elk numbers, not estimates. Wyoming manages a lot of units on observed elk...not population estimates. Montana largely doesn't manage elk and I've never heard of them managing on anything but herd estimates. They do provide both observed elk counts and estimates in their data though.

 

[mt100gr.]

Sometimes, in wyoming, you can drive right up and load them in truck, funny the wolves missed this one, sort of tough to, not see the rack:

A nearby Wyoming rancher missed a large wolf within a couple miles of where these bulls my wife and I killed on back to back days:

A couple more Wyoming elk that survived the wolves:

Another one my wife shot:

Anyway, back the discussion on wolves...don't want everyone to realize that the wolves haven't eaten all the elk...

All I will say to this post is "up with Montana! " ....at least you're a griz fan..........sorry for another sidetrack.

 

[wymtnpounder]

Sometimes, in wyoming, you can drive right up and load them in truck, funny the wolves missed this one, sort of tough to, not see the rack:

A nearby Wyoming rancher missed a large wolf within a couple miles of where these bulls my wife and I killed on back to back days:

A couple more Wyoming elk that survived the wolves:

Another one my wife shot:

Anyway, back the discussion on wolves...don't want everyone to realize that the wolves haven't eaten all the elk...

And how many of those were killed within 20 miles of Yellowstone I know the cow wasn't?

 

[mt100gr.]

I'm sensing that this thread is about played out. The last wolf thread died in a lurch too. Surprise!! Nothing is going to change people's minds, experiences or feelings toward wolves.

If there are wolves already showing up in CO, then "re-introduction" is a total sham. They're there - no sense sending more in when all these factors are ADDITIVE, anyway.

Slick put the picture in the frame when he said CO hunters need to be up CPW's ass demanding a management plan. CO will hopefully have their shit in a pile so the state can manage it's wildlife. Liberal agendas will undoubtedly be a hurdle but hopefully CO will make the most of the time they have now to head off a potentially exploding wolf population.

If anyone in a wolf state has the time, energy, resources, and access I encourage you to go shoot a limit of wolves. Shoot one. Shoot at one. Set a trap.

Sounds a bit like taking off for Hawaii in a canoe, I know....but once there's wolves in your backyard it's pretty much the only option.



*pic from a few years back of one I called in for a buddy.

 

[Beendare]

It appears we are NOT going to learn from the multiple unintended consequences with the wolf reintroduction in the northern states.... costing millions of dollars in man hours, lawsuits, etc that are still in the early stages and will take decades to play out.

This will happen in CO.......x2

EDIT; if we could separate the "Having a few wolves " part....from the huge amount of unintended consequences...it wouldn't be a bad deal. If its anything we have learned from the last decade of the Yellowstone intro- it opens Pandoras box for lawyers, Anti hunters and animal rights folks to feast on this.
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[bowieknife50]

You'll come down from the lurch with an unpleasant bump, and the chances are, then, that you'll be in a slump.


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