Wolf pack in CO

[HarryHunter]

Seen a few near Craig,CO.


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[BeastOfTheTrees]

Curious as to how much one gets for a decent wolf pelt.

 

[BeastOfTheTrees]

And tell it to the woodland caribou in Idaho. Oh wait they're extinct now.

Weren’t they even more distinct than woodland caribou, but a different kind of alpine tundra specific Bou?

 

[Okhotnik]

Sometimes, in wyoming, you can drive right up and load them in truck, funny the wolves missed this one, sort of tough to, not see the rack:

A nearby Wyoming rancher missed a large wolf within a couple miles of where these bulls my wife and I killed on back to back days:

A couple more Wyoming elk that survived the wolves:

Another one my wife shot:

Anyway, back the discussion on wolves...don't want everyone to realize that the wolves haven't eaten all the elk...

Wyoming allows trapping , very long seasons, cheap multiple wolf tags, aerial shooting and poison to control wolves.

Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota Orego, Washington and allow no hunting or wolf control despite being way over objectives. So much for your lies. ... again

 

[BuzzH]

Wyoming allows trapping , very long seasons, cheap multiple wolf tags, aerial shooting and poison to control wolves.

Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota Orego, Washington and allow no hunting or wolf control despite being way over objectives. So much for your lies. ... again

Wyoming allows the public to poison wolves, trap wolves, and aerial gun wolves in the trophy area where a vast majority of the wolves are? Seasons aren't very long in a majority of the trophy areas.

Just curious.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/WGFD/media/content/Final%20Regs/JULY_REGULATIONS_CH47.pdf

 

[WCS]

Does anyone out there have evidence, as in documented facts, on what wolf species was actually introduced?

There are a number of studies that have been conducted on wolf genetics in North America. Current DNA evidence suggests that the only populations that may warrant subspecies designation would be coastal wolves in BC and Southeast Alaska. Here's a couple of links to some of the genetic studies https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0019582 , https://www.researchgate.net/public...eply_to_Weckworth_et_al_and_Fredrickson_et_al . Bridgette von Holdt also authored a study on wolf genetics in North America that suggests the only species that exists in North America is the grey wolf.

 

[WCS]

Curious as to how much one gets for a decent wolf pelt.

Largely depends on colour. A couple of years ago all black pelts were fetching higher prices than grey or even white with black tips that was typically the most desirable. We had a few that went for between $800-1000 CAD.

 

[BeastOfTheTrees]

Largely depends on colour. A couple of years ago all black pelts were fetching higher prices than grey or even white with black tips that was typically the most desirable. We had a few that went for between $800-1000 CAD.

So a couple hundred on average for run of the mill pelts. Interesting.

 

[WCS]

So a couple hundred on average for run of the mill pelts. Interesting.

We had a couple of wolf pelts that we didn't break $200 CAD on, but they were from old wolves that had seen their share of scraps and their body condition was on the decline. They're not an easy animal to trap, they're pretty damn smart. We had much better luck with lynx. But it is a lot of fun trying to outsmart an alpha predator.

 

[Shraggs]

I have a few thoughts on the matter.

We have had multiple confirmed wolf sightings in CO already. So I do not see how reintroduction is even on the table? They are already here. Looks to me like we just need to accept that and get a management program in place to try and stay ahead of them.

But my biggest concern as a CO resident is this.
I believe that trying to compare CO to states like ID, WY, and MT is not apples to apples.
Fact of the matter is, we are a very "blue" state, like it or not and we will never again be a red state.

Hunters like us do not have a voice in this state, Not if all of Denver gets a say in the matter. Our decisions all come from the front range.

Granted our states hands are tied on some of these issues, but we already do a piss poor job of managing bears, and lions. The fact that we cannot hunt bears in the spring this is a direct result of the front range making our decisions for us.

The thought of adding another apex predator to the mix is asinine. We cant even handle the predators we do have. and how do you think our "friends" on the front range will view the hunting or trapping of their beloved wolves? We cannot use leghold traps in the state, they already want to take away cage trapping for bobcats.. you think that they are going to allow us to trap wolves? Think again.

I'm sure that wolves can exist in some sort of balance in certain ecosystems. But I think that the proper management program has to be in place for that to happen. I do not think that this harmony and balance would be possible on CO. The effective wolf management tools and techniques would not be tolerated in this state.

I really do think that a reintroduction to CO would be detrimental to our Elk, deer, moose, and livestock.

Why introduce wolves in CO when they’re already here. IMO, it has nothing to do with hunting or the wolves. We hunters, the game, are truly pawns in a greater national political stage. Victory, blood in the courts are needed for further funding.

The agenda is chaos, a strategy element that is very effective in achieving something not so obvious.

Regardless what side you come down on the issue, the people have no voice. Without rigid organizations, numbers and a unified aggressive Proactive voice. Anti’s are so well organized legally and almost always win and 5 moves or years ahead of hunters and our organizations, who play defense when the outcome is known.

So frustrating, I’ve watched the Great Lakes fishery suffer with such similar circumstances and the same entities driving the ridiculous demands.

Ok sorry, I contributed

 

[Okhotnik]

Why introduce wolves in CO when they’re already here. IMO, it has nothing to do with hunting or the wolves. We hunters, the game, are truly pawns in a greater national political stage. Victory, blood in the courts are needed for further funding.

The agenda is chaos, a strategy element that is very effective in achieving something not so obvious.

Regardless what side you come down on the issue, the people have no voice. Without rigid organizations, numbers and a unified aggressive Proactive voice. Anti’s are so well organized legally and almost always win and 5 moves or years ahead of hunters and our organizations, who play defense when the outcome is known.

So frustrating, I’ve watched the Great Lakes fishery suffer with such similar circumstances and the same entities driving the ridiculous demands.

Ok sorry, I contributed

According to Buzzh wolves will help cull out only the sick and diseased elk, mule deer, moose and rams, dogs, horses, mules, cats , sheep thereby making for growing more robust populations!

Win win for Colorado if they brought in more wolves then never allowed Coloradans to control wolf populations

And wolves help trout ( BETTER FLY FISHING) and BEAVER populations. As straight guys we all love more Beaver ! No offense to the non straight , non binary members on here

thanks buzz

Wolves have changed Yellowstone's ecosystem since the '90s.

Wolves are causing a tropic cascade of ecological change, including helping to increase beaver numbers and bring back aspen and vegetation.

www.yellowstonepark.com

( a super unbiased analysis brought to you by anti hunting groups)

 

[BeastOfTheTrees]

We had a couple of wolf pelts that we didn't break $200 CAD on, but they were from old wolves that had seen their share of scraps and their body condition was on the decline. They're not an easy animal to trap, they're pretty damn smart. We had much better luck with lynx. But it is a lot of fun trying to outsmart an alpha predator.

This year I believe I’m going to Idaho for elk, however I’m interested in learning more about wolves in case I get a shot at one.

 

[Lumpy]

Anti Wolf...and very surprised at how many pro wolf peeps are here

 

[slick]

Okhotnik- take a read. I think you’ve maybe got it wrong. Although I know you’re being facetious.

Google Scholar

scholar.google.com

You’ve also misquoted BuzzH, because you disagree with him and you can’t seem to handle that.

Also- Lumpy, please point out all members who you believe are pro wolf? If they don’t outwardly say “kill them all”, they must fit into your narrative of pro wolf.

I was disappointed to learn that Oregon’s wolf management plan doesn’t include general season hunting, and only includes controlled take but that would also have to be passed by the commission and legislature. Talk about frustrating.

Edit: which is likely how CO would structure their management plan.

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[Deleted member 39919]

Pretty soon we will be allowed 15 wolf tags per year for hunting, and another 15 per year for trapping.

That's how big the problem is in Idaho.

F&G commission increases number of wolf tags hunters and trappers can purchase

During their meeting in Boise on Jan. 23, the Idaho Fish and Game Commission voted to increase the maximum number of wolf tags an individual can purchase to 15 hunting tags and 15 trapping tags for the 2020-21 season.

idfg.idaho.gov