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Not in WY, MT, and ID...they can legally shoot all the wolves they want, no reason to "3S" anything...and never has been a reason to in regard to personal safety or protecting livestock.
Old wives tales die hard...
What I want to know is why wolves target deer, elk , bears and whatever when all the cattle are wandering around in the same habitat.
I seen a wolf this year in Montana while archery hunting elk. There were angus cattle bumbling around in the same vicinity all day everyday.
You would think that a single moo cow would be easy pickings for a wolf/wolves.
I know USDA/APHIS was not allowed to use lethal means anymore in northern Co. Can you tell me why that was then?
They can still trap, however that area is now off limits for lethal devices such as the m44's.
In areas with a known population of wolves, yes many times they are allowed to shoot when livestock is in danger. In other areas not so much.
There was a voluntary halt on m-44s in 2017 by the USDA in Colorado due to a pending lawsuit and until a new EA was completed.
The new EA was completed and as far as I know, m-44's are now legal to use again, even in Colorado, although I do recall reading that maybe limited to private land use in Colorado.
I'm also aware of how many livestock are killed by pets versus predators. Many years I have lost more livestock to domestic dogs, but it depends on the situation. I'd be very surprised if more livestock is lost in Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and Idaho to domestic animals but I could be wrong.
Fire up your google machine...probably find out for yourself.
Right...name me one State that was allowing hunters to kill multiple elk per year in 1994, you know, prior to wolves being an "issue".
Montana is going to allow 3 per year starting this coming year, Wyoming you can already kill 3, Idaho is 2, and Colorado is 2 now and was 3 for a while.
Funny how all the States with wolves, allow hunters to take multiple elk per season...strange, since I thought the wolves ate them all.
I'll take a stroll here in the next couple weeks to see if I cant fill my 3rd elk tag for the year in Wyoming...that is if the wolves haven't beat me to it.
People have off switches and we have other means to persuade behavior. Laws etc. The wolf is a wild foreign animal being placed into an ecosystem it doesnt belong in. It's been gone so long that an inbalance ie created when they get placed anywhere.Is that something you’re okay with if it’s truly happening?
would you feel differently if a farmer was doing that with deer or elk in crops?
that’s a lie Buzz
In WA and OR, after wolf introduction, greatly reduced their elk tags
I guess all the money you received from environmental groups for your pro wolf studies impairs your logic
People have off switches and we have other means to persuade behavior. Laws etc. The wolf is a wild foreign animal being placed into an ecosystem it doesnt belong in. It's been gone so long that an inbalance ie created when they get placed anywhere.
If you want to bring the wolf back. Where does it stop? Should we start bringing back some dinosaurs?
Thankfully some trappers are putting a hurting on these vermin in north Idaho seeing lots of dead wolves
Trapping, is going to be the only way to maintain any sort of “control” or management when it comes to wolves. Guys going in, setting on sign, who are experienced knowledgeable trappers, and taking out while family units. Opportunistic shooting, and calling is gonna kill wolves, but not the kind of numbers it’s going to take to effectively keep the population in check.Thankfully some trappers are putting a hurting on these vermin in north Idaho seeing lots of dead wolves
Just name the States that were allowing hunters to kill multiple elk prior to 1994...and no its not a lie, its a fact.
If it were me, I wouldn't expedite the inevitable w/ reintroduction. not sure what the point of reintroduction is when recolonization is going to happen eventually. I have no dog in this as I live in the east, but as a biologist IMO it's better to take the slow and steady approach for both wolves, elk/deer, ranchers etc.
that's another lie from Buzzh.Wolves that are found to be preying on livestock get themselves dead in short order. Another misconception is that every coyote, every wolf, every lion, every bear is "bad" and kill livestock with one angry look.
Considering the amount of livestock grazing on federal lands with all those predators on the landscape, very little livestock is killed. In fact, if you look at the APHIS annual reporting on livestock predation, you'll find fluffy the domestic dog, kill a lot more than wolves...by a long shot.
Trapping, is going to be the only way to maintain any sort of “control” or management when it comes to wolves. Guys going in, setting on sign, who are experienced knowledgeable trappers, and taking out while family units. Opportunistic shooting, and calling is gonna kill wolves, but not the kind of numbers it’s going to take to effectively keep the population in check.
This is gonna be the problem in Colorado, you can’t catch wolves in cages, and unless you’re a Gman, you ain’t layin steel in that State.
Anyone for or against wolves ought to do themselves a favor and read the biography of Frank Glaser; in his time, the United States government had a handle on predator management and did things right. Funny thing is, folks can still trap wolves up there without their hands being tied and guess what, there’s still a few of them cute furry little fellers up there running around for those who love em so much. Management hasn’t made them extinct!
If anyone is interested, the book about Frank is called ”Alaska Wolfman”