Wolf pack in CO

[Okhotnik]

Should we also not transplant bighorn sheep? Elk to the Midwest and East coast? Mountain goats?

I don't hear many sheep hunters complaining about transplanting sheep all over the place...they've been gone for a long time from a lot of their former ranges.

Where does it stop? Should be start bringing back some dinosaurs instead of bighorn sheep?

wow weak deflection

 

[nidaho]

A fool and his elk are soon parted. Come to north Idaho you can get lots of elk tags doubt you will fill them. The cow tags are because the elk were driven out of the high country by wolves on to farm ground the farmers got the fish and game to issue all the cow tags and depredation tags. Nothing to do with all the elk we don’t have. There is no managing wolves they will grow and eat every thing just wait. We are now having cougar problems with live stock because of the lack of game for them to eat. The wolves started eating cattle that are grazed in the mountains. I believe this is the first year they were hit by the wolves. Believe what you want those that live where the wolves have decimated the game know.

 

[wapitibob]

Oregon Wolves haven't really acquired a taste for elk meat. What they have done as pointed out earlier is move some of the herds to the more open agriculture/timber land interface areas.

that’s a lie Buzz

In WA and OR, after wolf introduction, greatly reduced their elk tags

I guess all the money you received from environmental groups for your pro wolf studies impairs your logic

These are the Elk tag quotas for the above listed wolf units, 2009 and 2019 respectively.


catherine creek
2009, 549 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 975 LE with unlimited bow

chesnimnus
2009, 1138 LE
2019, 1957 LE

imnaha
2009, 468 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 776 LE with unlimited bow

minum
2009, 585 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 1246 LE with unlimited bow

mt emily
2009, 1800 LE
2019, 1876 LE

sled sp
2009, 1689 LE
2019, 1671 LE

snake rvr
2009, 631 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 890 LE with unlimited bow Bull

walla walla
2009, 723 LE
2019, 669 LE

wenaha
2009, 710 LE
2019, 872 LE

 

[Dust Rider]

Wondering if anyone else shares my optimism that when the wolves reestablish that they will start pushing elk off those river bottom mega ranches and onto public (timbered) ground? Same goes for RMNP. Even after elk numbers decline (at least initially as seen in ID), I expect to see more elk movement on public. I cant be the only one who is sick of seeing 50-200 head of elk parked on private ground out in the open river bottoms during season.....Another, (albeit cynical) hope I have is that after the wolves start reducing elk numbers (which they in all liklihood will), that the insane hunting pressure seen in recent years will level off a bit....

Sweet Grass County MT. The wolves that moved out of Yellowstone Park and into the Beartooths changed the elk patterns. In the rolling foot hills that had not had elk in them started getting lots of elk .The wolves moved in and the elk dispersed to new habitats for survival. I'm not saying all elk left the forest etc., but there are way more elk down low on private ranches then 20 years ago. The Northern Yellowstone elk herd went from +/- 18k elk in 95 when wolves were introduced to about 6k in 2018. Did wolves kill them all? No. But they ate a few. Cougars kill a shit load as well as Grizzlies. The wolves changed the patterns of the elk.
So the short answer is the wolves will not push the elk into the forest, its the opposite. The elk will keep in open low land areas for safety. Open Ag areas have good feed and ranchers with guns who will shoot the wolves. Your best option is to find the ranchers who don't want the elk or the wolves and start hunting both. I have thought about getting back into trapping (its been over 25 years) but I just ain't got no time for that. It could be a win win for a young motivated woodsman. Access to great private property, and that could start relationships for prime elk and deer habitats while managing predators and bonus fur income.

 

[Marble]

Should we also not transplant bighorn sheep? Elk to the Midwest and East coast? Mountain goats?

I don't hear many sheep hunters complaining about transplanting sheep all over the place...they've been gone for a long time from a lot of their former ranges.

Where does it stop? Should be start bringing back some dinosaurs instead of bighorn sheep?

I think stuff should be left as it is. And the wolves should have never been reintroduced. People introducing animals into ecosystems that have long evolved without the animals there is reckless.

Introducing wolves and doing things to bring them in and create a viable population has no up side.

Oh wait...they are cute, and when they howl its alluring. And they were here long ago so must be okay....

The environmentalists, tree huggers, animal right people et al... are small minded idiots, motivated by feeling good about saving something, anything. They want to becoming one with the earth and all that BS. Its disgusting. I deal with them on the left coast all the time. Complete dolts.

 

[slick]

Just a thought. The time that wolves haven’t been in western states is a blink of an eye on the timeline of evolution.


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[BuzzH]

Oregon Wolves haven't really acquired a taste for elk meat. What they have done as pointed out earlier is move some of the herds to the more open agriculture/timber land interface areas.

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These are the Elk tag quotas for the above listed wolf units, 2009 and 2019 respectively.


catherine creek
2009, 549 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 975 LE with unlimited bow

chesnimnus
2009, 1138 LE
2019, 1957 LE

imnaha
2009, 468 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 776 LE with unlimited bow

minum
2009, 585 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 1246 LE with unlimited bow

mt emily
2009, 1800 LE
2019, 1876 LE

sled sp
2009, 1689 LE
2019, 1671 LE

snake rvr
2009, 631 LE with unlimited bow
2019, 890 LE with unlimited bow Bull

walla walla
2009, 723 LE
2019, 669 LE

wenaha
2009, 710 LE
2019, 872 LE

Crickets....as per usual the facts seem to make some pretty quiet.

 

[wapitibob]

I don't live in N Idaho and haven't hunted unit 10 since the early 80's so I have no idea what has happened there but I'm in NE OR every year either helping a hunter or hunting myself and wolves haven't eaten all the Elk, it just isn't true. The Elk have changed their patterns and hunters are slow to adapt. They don't see much for animals and now blame wolves.

 

[mtnbiker208]

All I know is I kill elk every year in the same drainage as a wolf pack.
The wolf changes the game. It is up to the hunter to change there game.
I might have a different perspective since, my business is in a highly competitive market.
the wolf is just another competitor.

 

[hflier]

Not surprising to me. I saw a Gray Wolf about 70 miles from the CO state Line when hunting a drainage area in Unit 43 WY last year for Antelope. Came in to the shot when my wife missed a Lope. Blew my mind.

 

[87TT]

All this BS and I still haven't heard a legitimate need for wolves. Just reasons why they aren't all that "bad".

 

[slick]

Wildlife is neither bad or good. Wolves aren’t inherently bad, and elk aren’t inherently good. I think all critters have a place to exist on the landscape, but if they are killing livestock they need to be shot.

I don’t hear anyone groaning about elk eating crop/livestock producers out of house and home during the winter. Usually it’s the opposite- “oh, more hunting opportunity that’s great!”

We can disagree until we’re blue in the face.

Wolves aren’t going anywhere, and elk herds are getting along just fine. There’s plenty of opportunity. Look up Idaho’s harvest stats the last 5 years- it’s above average with 20,000+ elk being killed annually since 2014.

I do agree that we don’t need to be moving wolves around anymore, based on their natural expansion.

People forget that wildlife populations fluctuate. They drop and they rebound. It can’t always be what it was the best year you “had” it.


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[Tradguy]

Slick I couldn't agree or like your post anymore if I tried.

 

[excaliber]

Since I see so many people approve of Wolves on this thread I can't wait for all of you to enjoy them in great numbers in Colorado and Oregon. We sure love them here in Idaho.

 

[87TT]

Like that rash you can't get rid of.

 

[slick]

Thanks Excalibur. Hopefully the Feds will turn management over to the states sooner rather than later and we can go about hunting and trapping them.


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[nidaho]

How long have wolves been in Oregon. Not as long as north Idaho. I cat hunt all winter in elk winter grounds we have a very good idea what’s left around here. Moose hunts have been taken away in certain areas. Give it 10 years or more of wolves your option will change. We aren’t lazy hunters complaining about no elk they ain’t here. I killed 17 in a row with bow haven’t got one for three years now.

 

[Okhotnik]

Just a thought. The time that wolves haven’t been in western states is a blink of an eye on the timeline of evolution.


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please elaborate

you're saying that the western US is the same as 500 years ago?

pretty silly statement

 

[Okhotnik]

Wildlife is neither bad or good. Wolves aren’t inherently bad, and elk aren’t inherently good. I think all critters have a place to exist on the landscape, but if they are killing livestock they need to be shot.

I don’t hear anyone groaning about elk eating crop/livestock producers out of house and home during the winter. Usually it’s the opposite- “oh, more hunting opportunity that’s great!”

We can disagree until we’re blue in the face.

Wolves aren’t going anywhere, and elk herds are getting along just fine. There’s plenty of opportunity. Look up Idaho’s harvest stats the last 5 years- it’s above average with 20,000+ elk being killed annually since 2014.

I do agree that we don’t need to be moving wolves around anymore, based on their natural expansion.

People forget that wildlife populations fluctuate. They drop and they rebound. It can’t always be what it was the best year you “had” it.


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Why have elk tags and opportunities have Benn greatly reduced in OR and WA ?

Why is deer harvest down in MI,MN and WI?

another uniformed uneducated pro wolf statement

 

[Okhotnik]

Slick I couldn't agree or like your post anymore if I tried.

Slick I couldn't agree or like your post anymore if I tried.

Please inform us about your wolf experience in KS? lol