Will Tikka come out with a 6 CM soon???

[wind gypsy]

Because you get out of the Rokslide bubble, 6mm Creedmoor isn’t very popular. It’s a niche cartridge with PRS and ballistic chart, Internet forum people. They already have a 1:8 twist 243. It’s just not going to be a big seller and honestly, some fudd will order one by mistake, chamber a 6.5 CM and try to shoot it.

That brings up an interesting scenario: Are there any scenarios where one of the various shorter 6/6.5s would chamber in a smaller bore diameter cartridge?

I'd think a 6.5cm neck diameter would stop it from chambering in a .243 or 6cm, but it might be iffy as to whether it could be stuffed into, say, a 6mmRemingtonAI.

I've only seen two mischambering in my life - a 16 gauge shell in a 12 gauge and a 25-06 in a 30-06. Neither of those produced any serious drama (though both fired).

ETA: I stopped buying Nosler bullets when they got so expensive (and Nosler went to 50-count boxes of ballistic tips) but I'll give them credit that color-coding Ballistic Tip bullets by caliber was a good idea. Maybe I should keep shooting ELDMs with red tips in the 6.5cm and when/if I buy a 6mmSomething, only use Sierra TMKs in it, with the green tips, so the kids have a teaching aid for which ammo goes in which gun.

You’re not getting a bolt closed on a 6.5 creedmoor round in a 6 creedmoor chamber.

 

[Wprinkle]

Because you get out of the Rokslide bubble, 6mm Creedmoor isn’t very popular. It’s a niche cartridge with PRS and ballistic chart, Internet forum people

I completely agree. Once you get away from Rokslide the small caliber match bullet for hunting is nonexistent. They cant provide data as to why you need a big magnum with "tough monos" but that is overwhelmingly the standard. Heck, there are people on here that have read all the data on this and still dont/wont believe its possible or "ethical." Not sure about European/Scandinavian areas but we are a very small niche group.

Its like ranchin, everyone thinks Black Angus is the standard for beef but in reality it is one of the most inferior meats in the terms of taste, consist tenderness and marbling. But they are the "standard of quality" and have more meet per animal than a lot of other breeds. If I told you a Holstein or Holstein cross STEER was twice as tender, faster growing, yields more meat per time raised and infinitely more flavorful you would light torches and grab pitchforks. So I raise and sell Black Angus and eat dairy/ Texas Wagyu crosses at a fraction of the cost....

 

[TimberHunter]

I completely agree. Once you get away from Rokslide the small caliber match bullet for hunting is nonexistent. They cant provide data as to why you need a big magnum with "tough monos" but that is overwhelmingly the standard. Heck, there are people on here that have read all the data on this and still dont/wont believe its possible or "ethical." Not sure about European/Scandinavian areas but we are a very small niche group.

Its like ranchin, everyone thinks Black Angus is the standard for beef but in reality it is one of the most inferior meats in the terms of taste, consist tenderness and marbling. But they are the "standard of quality" and have more meet per animal than a lot of other breeds. If I told you a Holstein or Holstein cross STEER was twice as tender, faster growing, yields more meat per time raised and infinitely more flavorful you would light torches and grab pitchforks. So I raise and sell Black Angus and eat dairy/ Texas Wagyu crosses at a fraction of the cost....

Beef is beef isn’t it??

Great example, helps me understand the little world we are in on rokslide

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[Wprinkle]

Beef is beef isn’t it??

Great example, helps me understand the little world we are in on rokslide

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"You smell like beef and cheese and sit on a throne of lies"

 

[The Harbor Master]

I see what you guys are saying in regards to Rokslide being a small bubble in the big scheme of hunting/shooting...

I will point out however, that Ruger, Savage, Seekins, Browning, Christensen, and now even CZ are putting out 6CM rifles. Not far fetched at all for Tikka to join in IMO.

 

[Dave0317]

The PRS crowd seems to have at least a few shooting it.

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Of the cartridges in that article, 6mm in general leads the way by far. And of those top few options, 6 creed probably is the easiest to get at the local sporting goods shop, and more rifles than ever are available in it. And…tikka previously seemed to be planning to release their Ace Target and Game rifles in 6 creed.

I think overall there is more evidence to suggest they will release 6 creeds soon, than not.

 

[Formidilosus]

Because you get out of the Rokslide bubble, 6mm Creedmoor isn’t very popular. It’s a niche cartridge with PRS and ballistic chart, Internet forum people. They already have a 1:8 twist 243. It’s just not going to be a big seller and honestly, some fudd will order one by mistake, chamber a 6.5 CM and try to shoot it.

I completely agree. Once you get away from Rokslide the small caliber match bullet for hunting is nonexistent. They cant provide data as to why you need a big magnum with "tough monos" but that is overwhelmingly the standard. Heck, there are people on here that have read all the data on this and still dont/wont believe its possible or "ethical." Not sure about European/Scandinavian areas but we are a very small niche group.

Everywhere is a bubble in itself. If you live and generally only hunt Tennessee or Texas- sure, the 6cm may seem like it’s a “Rokslide” thing. Except it’s not. They are everywhere in the west. 5 years ago it was rare to see someone with a 6cm hunting. Not now. It’s a large percentage of the rifles in that caliber out here.

Beyond that, as far as Rokslide being a “bubble”. Ok. Except it’s a bubble that affects the industry, and companies admit it- even while they’re cussing RS. The “bubble” that had a large hand in the drive to Tikka changing their standard twist rates of 223 and 243 to 1-8”, and that was a large influence behind the drive to 16” and 20” threaded barrels? The bubble that made Tikka 223’s sell out across the country for the first time ever? That made 77tmk’s unobtainable for years? That was largely responsible for Sierra doing runs of all TMK’s again? And- bringing on entirely new bullets? The forum (and people) that are largely responsible for multiple companies bringing out new scope models? The list goes on and on. Packs, bags, bino packs, shoes, clothes, etc, etc.
Just because your buddies don’t know what Rokslide is, doesn’t mean that RS doesn’t affect people who buy new things.

Companies care about what new items will sell- not what is already there. When/if Tikka adds a 6cm to their entire lineup, it will match and exceed the sales of new 243wins quickly.

 

[khuber84]

I just really hope they come with it in a 7.5tw, and change the 243 to the same config when they do! But this is Tikka.......nvm it'll be 8 and I just need to accept that fact. I'm not seeing a standard twist on this CIP spec, which Tikka Finland would likely follow.

 

[Southernfried]

I was on outliers website, and they now offer a 6cm barrel with a 1/7 twist. I was looking for something to put on my Rem700 and noticed they make a barrel for a Tikka now as well. Dont know anymore about them than that though, no personal experience.

 

[Refugium]

Everywhere is a bubble in itself. If you live and generally only hunt Tennessee or Texas- sure, the 6cm may seem like it’s a “Rokslide” thing. Except it’s not. They are everywhere in the west. 5 years ago it was rare to see someone with a 6cm hunting. Not now. It’s a large percentage of the rifles in that caliber out here.

Beyond that, as far as Rokslide being a “bubble”. Ok. Except it’s a bubble that affects the industry, and companies admit it- even while they’re cussing RS. The “bubble” that had a large hand in the drive to Tikka changing their standard twist rates of 223 and 243 to 1-8”, and that was a large influence behind the drive to 16” and 20” threaded barrels? The bubble that made Tikka 223’s sell out across the country for the first time ever? That made 77tmk’s unobtainable for years? That was largely responsible for Sierra doing runs of all TMK’s again? And- bringing on entirely new bullets? The forum (and people) that are largely responsible for multiple companies bringing out new scope models? The list goes on and on. Packs, bags, bino packs, shoes, clothes, etc, etc.
Just because your buddies don’t know what Rokslide is, doesn’t mean that RS doesn’t affect people who buy new things.

Companies care about what new items will sell- not what is already there. When/if Tikka adds a 6cm to their entire lineup, it will match and exceed the sales of new 243wins quickly.

Thoughts on 22 ARC? IMO - cherry

 

[Castle Rock]

Just speculating here but maybe they ran into issues with getting consistent results with the 6 CM, it seems as if the Marshall project has ground to a halt.

 

[Refugium]

Maybe they fool us all and go straight to 22 Creed instead. I agree with Form. Timing on any new release will depend on how sales would effect other cartridge offerings, how well those potentially displaced sales are currently doing, and how much inventory they would need to either dump or sit on forever if a new rifle completely replaces demand.

 

[Wprinkle]

Everywhere is a bubble in itself. If you live and generally only hunt Tennessee or Texas- sure, the 6cm may seem like it’s a “Rokslide” thing. Except it’s not. They are everywhere in the west. 5 years ago it was rare to see someone with a 6cm hunting. Not now. It’s a large percentage of the rifles in that caliber out here.

Beyond that, as far as Rokslide being a “bubble”. Ok. Except it’s a bubble that affects the industry, and companies admit it- even while they’re cussing RS. The “bubble” that had a large hand in the drive to Tikka changing their standard twist rates of 223 and 243 to 1-8”, and that was a large influence behind the drive to 16” and 20” threaded barrels? The bubble that made Tikka 223’s sell out across the country for the first time ever? That made 77tmk’s unobtainable for years? That was largely responsible for Sierra doing runs of all TMK’s again? And- bringing on entirely new bullets? The forum (and people) that are largely responsible for multiple companies bringing out new scope models? The list goes on and on. Packs, bags, bino packs, shoes, clothes, etc, etc.
Just because your buddies don’t know what Rokslide is, doesn’t mean that RS doesn’t affect people who buy new things.

Companies care about what new items will sell- not what is already there. When/if Tikka adds a 6cm to their entire lineup, it will match and exceed the sales of new 243wins quickly.

Dang it.. i hate it when i think i have a good point and your point is better. But you’re right, I’m not around “like minded” people like a lot of y’all are and that definitely influences perspective. And the chain affect of RS.. I’m gonna use the words “industry leads.” They have adopted the RS influence and share that with their perspective audience/following which is massive in its own right. Even the haters reference that dang .223 thread haha

 

[Formidilosus]

Dang it.. i hate it when i think i have a good point and your point is better. But you’re right, I’m not around “like minded” people like a lot of y’all are and that definitely influences perspective. And the chain affect of RS.. I’m gonna use the words “industry leads.” They have adopted the RS influence and share that with their perspective audience/following which is massive in its own right. Even the haters reference that dang .223 thread haha

You know…. If only @Gstew1930 would be as open and honest about his losses….


grin

 

[Gstew1930]

You know…. If only @Gstew1930 would be as open and honest about his losses….


grin

Ignorance is bliss & im a blissful MF

 

[Dave0317]

Just speculating here but maybe they ran into issues with getting consistent results with the 6 CM, it seems as if the Marshall project has ground to a halt.

I can’t imagine 6CM consistency would be an issue. Too many target shooters seem to do well with it, not to mention tons of reviews of 6CM ammo, barrels, etc. on here that seem to get good results.

You referring to some specific known issue with 6 CM? It’s on my list of potential next cartridges, so if there is issues, I definitely want to know.

 

[Dobermann]

Well ... can we have a Tikka 6 Creed yet?