Will a 22LR turn a dog?

[Sharpshooter7]

IMO it will deter them.
But if it was a large dog I’m not sure it would kill fast enough.

A much more viable solution would be bear spray. With one sweep you would easily deter multiple dogs, humans to.

The bear sprays a good shout!

 

[BLJ]

Good luck shooting that dog and not yourself. You better be physically and emotionally qualified to handle that situation.

I’ve run this through my head a lot.
I think the moment will dictate a lot as to when a shot is fired or not.

I’ve always told myself that I wouldn’t let something make physical contact before I engage.
I hope I could hold it together and do that.
And if it does make physical contact, be able to handle that as well.

Not shooting myself is high on the list.

 

[BLJ]

Also, for clarification again.

These are NOT hunting dogs that I’ve encountered chasing deer in the past on private property.

And I’m NOT looking to shoot a dog just because it was chasing a deer.

 

[LongWayAround]

I think you could get quite a few shots in short order with a .22 pistol.

I also think shooting a guy's dog is a very good way for a situation to escalate and it should be a last resort.

Like tree dogs mentioned, you're not dealing with trained attack dogs and spray is probably the best medicine for diffusing an encounter.

 

[ohlongarm]

Cool story

Do you have any reason to suspect fully trained malagator attack dogs to be chasing deer on there own and then randomly attack unsuspecting bystanders?

I'm a responsible dog owner, and why would I let a dog/s worth thousands after training to run loose? However being in LE i've shot my fair share of out of control canines to end a dangerous threat, irresponsible dog owner, usually a certain demographic, in the majority, but not always.

 

[RockAndSage]

Not the scenario at all as I’ve already said.

Stated earlier that this would be for a self defense situation in the woods with an aggressive dog.

OP, anything you shoot in the face will generally change its behavior, quite often permanently.

Everything else takes time to get the message across.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I'm a responsible dog owner, and why would I let a dog/s worth thousands after training to run loose? However being in LE i've shot my fair share of out of control canines to end a dangerous threat, irresponsible dog owner, usually a certain demographic, in the majority, but not always.

Have you ever bear sprayed a regular dog and it did not work?

 

[LandSeig]

I had a friend that was ran up a tree by a pack of feral dogs while bow hunting as a teenager. He didn’t have a pistol with him, thankfully he was able to climb and they eventually left. I would run some cci stingers or equivalent quality hp rounds in it.

 

[tradman]

Ive been bitten by 4 different dogs. All 4 were not on leashes, in areas that require leashes. All owners stated "my dog has never done that before". All times I was out jogging and let the owners know that i was coming up on them way before I got near them.

 

[ohlongarm]

Have you ever bear sprayed a regular dog and it did not work?

No, don't believe in bear spray. When in Montana last month, I carried my Mossberg Maverick, top folder loaded with Magnum Crush and 0 buck 3 inch, no worries . And this dog, he warns us in plenty of time if a threat is near . Many have been killed by a sprayed grizzly, our dogs got tear gassed and pepper-sprayed, and kept coming. The vast percentage most criminals pursued by a police attack dog don't carry bear spray anyways. attack trained sheperds must also face live gunfire during training, blanks to see if they'll turn and run,the ones that make the grade run towards the sound of live gunfire, and yes some do get killed. remember killing a police dog is like killing a human cop in some states.

 

[BRTreedogs]

No, don't believe in bear spray. When in Montana last month, I carried my Mossberg Maverick, top folder loaded with Magnum Crush and 0 buck 3 inch, no worries . And this dog, he warns us in plenty of time if a threat is near . Many have been killed by a sprayed grizzly, our dogs got tear gassed and pepper-sprayed, and kept coming. The vast percentage most criminals pursued by a police attack dog don't carry bear spray anyways. attack trained sheperds must also face live gunfire during training, blanks to see if they'll turn and run,the ones that make the grade run towards the sound of live gunfire, and yes some do get killed. remember killing a police dog is like killing a human cop in some states.

Dude
We’re not talking about trained attack dogs.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Dude
We’re not talking about trained attack dogs.

shhhh. This is his thread now

 

[BRTreedogs]

shhhh. This is his thread now

Ohhhh malagators are sooooo cooool

 

[Rich M]

This..most states I hunt its illegal to kill hunting dogs unless they are damaging property aka livestock, or life even on your own property.
I deal with this pretty regular with bear hounds that come off the NF onto my property..absolutely nothing I can do about it.
Had the pleasure of being woke up at 6:50 by 18ish dogs running a bear thru my yard, 10 feet off my porch, a few weeks ago.

I’m not talking about killing hunting dogs.

talking about self defense from aggressive dogs. 2 very diff things.

 

[Rich M]

Situation like that. I'm not calling anybody. The issue was handled, and the less people involved the better IMO

I have neighbors close by. No secrets and must assume what you do is seen.

 

[ohlongarm]

Dude
We’re not talking about trained attack dogs.

I am , no use for useless curs who run wild, I say kill them all. Just voicing my opinion, and yes a 22 will kill any dog quick, in 26 years. I've seen a couple of dozen humans succumb to the lowly round so what makes one think a dog wouldn't? Curs are easy to repel game-driven working dogs of impeccable imported lineage not so much. and the question posed initially was only out of ignorance of certain rounds capabilities, a 22 long rifle will kill any land animal in the world. read the article about Bella Twin the indian woman in Alaska.

 

[HuntHarder]

If .223's can kill elephants, a 22lr will kill a dog.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Situation like that. I'm not calling anybody. The issue was handled, and the less people involved the better IMO

Back in the mid-1990s, my father was attacked by a bear dog that had run down and killed a deer.

He was out hunting with an antique Martini-action rifle in a now-obsolete cartridge (.41 Swiss) with hand loaded ammunition formed from .348 Winchester brass. He found a deer carcass. While he was examining it, a bear dog came up on him. When he extended his hand towards the dog, it bit his hand and arm. He attempted to shoot the dog, but the rifle misfired. He attempted to fend the dog off with the rifle barrel while frantically trying to recock the rifle and fire the round. Despite repeated attempts, the round would not fire. Because the custom ammunition was very tight, the dud round would not eject (the ejector was not strong enough to eject unfired rounds). His folding knife was in a sheath and he could not reach it while holding the rifle with both hands.

A second dog came up and began fighting with the first one. This gave him enough of a respite to use the wooden ramrod to eject the dud round. The first dog ran off the second dog and then attacked him again. He shot the dog.

He reported the incident to animal control. Animal control told him to go get his wounds checked out and bring in the dog’s head for rabies testing. He did both these things.

The dog’s owner followed the tracking collar onto our farm, where he found the headless dog and the deer carcass. He promptly called his friend/cousin in the DA’s office. The DA charged my dad with malicious wounding of an animal. His first lawyer tried to get him to take a plea deal that would have resulted in “only” 30 days in jail. he had to hire a second lawyer to get someone who cared more about his clients than his relationship with the DA. The judge eventually dismissed the criminal case for lack of evidence.

We went through three years of criminal and civil litigation before the matter was settled. I’ve known self-defense homicide cases wrapped up more quickly and with less trouble.

There’s a lot of local backstory to the whole mess, stuff going back to business dealings between my grandfather and the dog owner’s grandfather, previous disputes over poaching, people being members of different political parties, people “not being from around here” despite having been there since 1965, etc.

On a side note, in Virginia, if you own sheep, you can shoot stray dogs on your land with impunity. Growing up on the farm, we had a small pack of outdoor basset hound mixes that kept wandering and going missing. I later learned that a kid I used to ride the school bus with had shot at least twenty of our dogs over the course of a decade. His family owned a few sheep, so there was no legal recourse.

Things get crazy where dogs are concerned.

And I carry my P226 whenever I am on the farm.

 

[yfarm]

I carry bear spray on my bicycle now after being chased by several pits. Can’t bring myself to kill a dog.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I am , no use for useless curs who run wild, I say kill them all. Just voicing my opinion, and yes a 22 will kill any dog quick, in 26 years. I've seen a couple of dozen humans succumb to the lowly round so what makes one think a dog wouldn't? Curs are easy to repel game-driven working dogs of impeccable imported lineage not so much. and the question posed initially was only out of ignorance of certain rounds capabilities, a 22 long rifle will kill any land animal in the world. read the article about Bella Twin the indian woman in Alaska.

What value are you adding to the original poster question talking about your trained attack dogs?

This thread isn’t about you, or your completely un related comments.

You’re just looking to try and make yourself feel cool by interjecting about your trained attack dogs.

No body cares bro, it’s a hunting forum. And mals are culls imo

They add zero value to my life