Will 6 Creedmoor go the way of 7 SAUM?

[Harvey_NW]

I think it's here to stay. The 243 might have more ammo offerings, but it's mostly lighter for caliber stuff nobody is interested in. All the 6 Creed offerings are either high BC, or optimized varmint loads. Tikka is missing out on a lot of sales right now because of this very topic.

 

[wind gypsy]

I have both the saum and the 6 creed and neither are hard to keep fed with ammo so whats it matter?

 

[N2TRKYS]

6 creed brass will always be easy to make even if it is no longer available with a 6 creed head stamp. I doubt that happens though.

I’m not talking about 6 Creedmoor.

 

[ckt3]

I think it's here to stay. The 243 might have more ammo offerings, but it's mostly lighter for caliber stuff nobody is interested in. All the 6 Creed offerings are either high BC, or optimized varmint loads. Tikka is missing out on a lot of sales right now because of this very topic.

Wonder if there will start to be some .243 factory loads with the heavier bullets. I can get a factory 8 twist .243, but the off-the-shelf ammo hasn’t really caught up yet.

Could there be an element of Hornady not wanting to offer that ammo (eg. 103 ELDX .243 Win) because it would compete directly with 6 Creed?

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

One of my favorite cartridges…

 

[ckt3]

One of my favorite cartridges…

Which? .243?

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

Which? .243?

6CM

 

[Refugium]

You didnt say you dont see an affordable, quality 6CM in your post. You said there are less and less options. So where are you getting the information that there are in fact less options for 6CM now than there was?

Fair point. My main goal is to ask the question, will the 6 Creed survive as a widely available option for the general public, or will it become a niche cartridge for hunting obsessed maniacs like us? My personal bias is for it to survive and gain in popularity/availability (which usually makes it more affordable). I also don't think support from low quality brands that usually require warranty work is really solid support. More likely it will be twighlighted by them as soon as the next marketing surge makes something else a better financial choice for their brand. That is my opinion, but I appreciate yours as well. I hope you are right!

 

[Refugium]

No, but the 22 and 25 creeds will.

22 is too fast, bullets will come apart due to over revving.

25 is just a c-hair shy of the 6.5 and does absolutely nothing to improve ballistic over the 6.5. The difference of 6 grains bullet weight betwixt the two is nothing and BC figures are close enough that it doesn’t matter.

I agree. I don't really get the point of the 25 CM. I do like 22 though. 22 ARC with the 88 grain even better.

 

[Refugium]

Wonder if there will start to be some .243 factory loads with the heavier bullets. I can get a factory 8 twist .243, but the off-the-shelf ammo hasn’t really caught up yet.

Could there be an element of Hornady not wanting to offer that ammo (eg. 103 ELDX .243 Win) because it would compete directly with 6 Creed?

You would think they would already be available in .243 though right?

 

[Refugium]

I have both the saum and the 6 creed and neither are hard to keep fed with ammo so whats it matter?

Fair point. Lets hope it stays that way.

 

[nm.otter]

The 6.5mm Creedmoor was a watershed design that rippled through the entire industry. The case design is excellent, to the point where wildcatters quickly started necking it down. Case capacity to bore area ratios changed, shifting the mix of applications where each one shined. SAAMI approvals followed. Using the same magazines, body sizing dies, go gauges, and the like has real value to everyone involved.

6mm GT has 15% less case capacity and is already seeing similar expansion of calibers.

PRC designs use different cases for each caliber. Some of the wildcats show a lot of promise, but I don't think the market has spoken yet there.

 

[CMP70306]

I agree. I don't really get the point of the 25 CM. I do like 22 though. 22 ARC with the 88 grain even better.

Pretty sure it showed up after Blackjack came out with their 131gr .257 bullet but the main purpose now is NRL Hunter where it meets power factor while having less recoil and better ballistics than a 6.5 Creedmoor due to the higher velocity of a lighter bullet.

Kind of the same way the 6.5 creed, 6.5 PRC, 6GT among dozens of other cartridges were all created to solve an issue in a specific competition and snowballed from there.

 

[Marbles]

Pretty sure it showed up after Blackjack came out with their 131gr .257 bullet but the main purpose now is NRL Hunter where it meets power factor while having less recoil and better ballistics than a 6.5 Creedmoor due to the higher velocity of a lighter bullet.

Kind of the same way the 6.5 creed, 6.5 PRC, 6GT among dozens of other cartridges were all created to solve an issue in a specific competition and snowballed from there.

And here I thought it was created because MOA only works with caliber and can't be used with them commi metric boolits. Which is also why 243 is better than 6 creed. Now a 243 Creedmoor, that would be the best of them all, too bad they don't make it.


Read in a retarded redneck voice, like you would expect from a coonass hillbilly.

 

[ckt3]

And here I thought it was created because MOA only works with caliber and can't be used with them commi metric boolits. Which is also why 243 is better than 6 creed. Now a 243 Creedmoor, that would be the best of them all, too bad they don't make it.


Read in a retarded redneck voice, like you would expect from a coonass hillbilly.

You might be onto something

 

[Leaf Litter]

Pretty sure it showed up after Blackjack came out with their 131gr .257 bullet but the main purpose now is NRL Hunter where it meets power factor while having less recoil and better ballistics than a 6.5 Creedmoor due to the higher velocity of a lighter bullet.

Kind of the same way the 6.5 creed, 6.5 PRC, 6GT among dozens of other cartridges were all created to solve an issue in a specific competition and snowballed from there.

It fits the NRLH niche well, but the recoil and ballistic differences are so minimal that I cant justify changing over to 25 due to the 6.5 having more options for every component.

They're too close to the same thing, not that either are bad.

 

[CMP70306]

It fits the NRLH niche well, but the recoil and ballistic differences are so minimal that I cant justify changing over to 25 due to the 6.5 having more options for every component.

They're too close to the same thing, not that either are bad.

I look at it more as the niche cartridge for the advanced competitors, I can’t shoot the difference but there are guys that can and that’s who benefits the most.

 

[UnckleBob]

I think it's here to stay. The 243 might have more ammo offerings, but it's mostly lighter for caliber stuff nobody is interested in. All the 6 Creed offerings are either high BC, or optimized varmint loads. Tikka is missing out on a lot of sales right now because of this very topic.

Based on what I see in gun stores, the 243 must be one of their biggest sellers. Small gun stores always have some 243 for sale. A big box store like Cabela's will have at least 6 loads to choose from.

While people in this forum don't typically hunt with 90-100g 6mm bullets, a ton of people are only interested in that weight range -> low recoil + proven killer under 300 yards?

 

[Harvey_NW]

Based on what I see in gun stores, the 243 must be one of their biggest sellers. Small gun stores always have some 243 for sale. A big box store like Cabela's will have at least 6 loads to choose from.

While people in this forum don't typically hunt with 90-100g 6mm bullets, a ton of people are only interested in that weight range -> low recoil + proven killer under 300 yards?

Fair point, that's true. Sometimes I speak in generalities because Rokslide is mostly like minded people. I should have said stuff that nobody intending to shoot long range or take advantage of high BC bullets is interested in.

But my other point was that type of ammo is typically what's available for 6 Creed, and it fits both use cases.

 

[MT762]

Fair point. Lets hope it stays that way.

You're asking a reasonable question. For the general public, 6 creed does nothing that the 243 doesn't. Also people have been shooting .243 forever. Also BC is irrelevant to almost all hunters.

(As pertains to the SAUMs...I don't remember seeing a ton of 7 SAUM on the shelves, really ever, in the years immediately after the cartridge was introduced.)

The 6.5 creed was a perfect storm. It was so much better than the gold standard for long range shooting that it got adopted overnight... at a time when long range shooting was exploding in popularity. For a few decades prior the Creed's introduction, if you went to a shooting school, the ground was covered in 308 cases and everyone's truck was full of 175 gold medal match (or 118LR). By 2015, it was nothing but 6.5 creed.

On top of which, normal hunters (who shoot a few rounds per year) were seeing that a 6.5 creed kills deer as well as a 30-06. The bullet weights are similar. It doesn't seem "light" like a .243, but it doesn't kick like a 30-06. And whatever 6.5 ammo you bought at Walmart, whether it was "target" ammo or not (ELDMs), turned out to be super reliable on game. In the past, target bullets (SMKs and their ilk) were not reliable on game.

Hard to imagine that combo of circumstances happening again.