Who else has caught the Rona?

[5MilesBack]

The loss of taste and smell is a scary one. It's not like other colds or a sinus infection where it's caused from inflammation, or congestion, in the sinuses. It's caused from actual brain damage and loss of grey matter in the front part of the brain.

After losing taste and smell in December, it's been hit and miss ever since. It's never been 100% "off", no real rhyme or reason as to what I can taste and smell or when. It comes and goes very quickly. For the past week though I had 100% taste and smell back with a vengeance for the first time since it went away in December, then yesterday at lunch suddenly most of it was gone again. Can't even smell vinegar.......just nothing there.

I do know that moisture on the olfactory nerves causes the smell to disappear. Before I get in the shower I can smell the soap and my deoderant. After the shower I can smell neither for some period of time, and it does that every time. Bottom line is that it comes and goes so quickly that one bite I can taste and the next bite it's gone. This is one bizarre virus.

 

[menhaden_man]

Good story in science today...

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Nillion]

Good story in science today...

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Interesting stuff and definitely warrants further study.

“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2."

"In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who subsequently received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. (In Israel, it’s recommended that people who have been previously infected get just one dose.) The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated."

Two paragraphs that stood out to me from there. The hospitalization rate based off of only 9 total cases is very low for either group and needs more data to confirm, and the infection risk while still low, does have more numbers to back it up.

Further, it seems like a previous infection and at least one shot confers the greatest immunity to the virus on people.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Did a quick search and can’t confirm all of this. A few articles say that the virus may gain entry to the CNS through the olfactory nerves and supporting cells. ACE2 is certainly present in the brain, so it’s plausible.

Take your vitamin d, everyone. And get some sun.

Heres some stuff to get started on reading if anyone wants to look into this more. There's quite a bit of info on this out there and more continues to come out on it as time passes.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Brain imaging before and after COVID-19 in UK Biobank

There is strong evidence for brain-related pathologies in COVID-19, some of which could be a consequence of viral neurotropism. The vast majority of brain imaging studies so far have focused on qualitative, gross pathology of moderate to severe cases, often carried out on hospitalised patients...

www.medrxiv.org

COVID-19 Could Increase Dementia, Other Brain Disorders for Decades to Come

A rise in strange neurological symptoms such as psychosis, tremors, extreme fatigue, phantom smells, dizziness, and "brain fog" suggest that COVID-19 attacks the brain. The long-term implications are worrisome.

www.newsweek.com

A Harvard doctor is sounding the alarm over the potential long-term impacts of COVID-19 on the brain

“This is why vaccination is critical.” Read more on Boston.com.

www.boston.com

Groundbreaking study suggests COVID-19 virus might enter human brain

New study finds evidence of brain damage from COVID-19

Alarming COVID study indicates long-term loss of gray matter and other brain tissue

In a research paper recently uploaded to the preprint server medRxiv* by Prof. Gwenaëlle Douaud et al. (June 15th, 2021), participants that had taken part in a brain study prior to the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic were invited back for a series of follow-up tests, revealing significant losses...

www.news-medical.net

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Good story in science today...

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Natural immunity is likely very good against reinfection, but the only problem is that it may come at a high cost in the future even with very mild infections. Unfortunately only time will tell and by then it may be too late.

Make whatever decision you guys feel is right for yourself and family, and good luck.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

After losing taste and smell in December, it's been hit and miss ever since. It's never been 100% "off", no real rhyme or reason as to what I can taste and smell or when. It comes and goes very quickly. For the past week though I had 100% taste and smell back with a vengeance for the first time since it went away in December, then yesterday at lunch suddenly most of it was gone again. Can't even smell vinegar.......just nothing there.

I do know that moisture on the olfactory nerves causes the smell to disappear. Before I get in the shower I can smell the soap and my deoderant. After the shower I can smell neither for some period of time, and it does that every time. Bottom line is that it comes and goes so quickly that one bite I can taste and the next bite it's gone. This is one bizarre virus.

That is crazy. Your body might still be trying to clear the virus all the way even though you test negative and aren't contagious anymore. It's lingering around at very low levels in your body and increases and decreases as time passes. Look into it.

 

[Rob5589]

Interesting stuff and definitely warrants further study.

“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2."

"In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who subsequently received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. (In Israel, it’s recommended that people who have been previously infected get just one dose.) The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated."

Two paragraphs that stood out to me from there. The hospitalization rate based off of only 9 total cases is very low for either group and needs more data to confirm, and the infection risk while still low, does have more numbers to back it up.

Further, it seems like a previous infection and at least one shot confers the greatest immunity to the virus on people.

The Pfizer is two doses. The Israeli protocol is one dose for post Covid infection. Did that have any influence on the results? They would have to also include two dose, post Covid infections to have a true conclusion.

 

[jmez]

One of the reasons retrospective studies are at the bottom of the evidence totem pole. The parameters aren't set going in and it's nearly impossible to account for all of them coming out.

 

[durangobrad]

With all the livestock dewormer talk in here, a warning that it's not the end all be all....

Anti-masker who organized protests is intubated with Covid

A Texas father who organized local covid protest is fighting for his life with the deadly virus as doctors tell his family his chances of recovery are 'slim to none,' according to his pregnant wife.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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[ODB]

Heres some stuff to get started on reading if anyone wants to look into this more. There's quite a bit of info on this out there and more continues to come out on it as time passes.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Brain imaging before and after COVID-19 in UK Biobank

There is strong evidence for brain-related pathologies in COVID-19, some of which could be a consequence of viral neurotropism. The vast majority of brain imaging studies so far have focused on qualitative, gross pathology of moderate to severe cases, often carried out on hospitalised patients...

www.medrxiv.org

COVID-19 Could Increase Dementia, Other Brain Disorders for Decades to Come

A rise in strange neurological symptoms such as psychosis, tremors, extreme fatigue, phantom smells, dizziness, and "brain fog" suggest that COVID-19 attacks the brain. The long-term implications are worrisome.

www.newsweek.com

A Harvard doctor is sounding the alarm over the potential long-term impacts of COVID-19 on the brain

“This is why vaccination is critical.” Read more on Boston.com.

www.boston.com

Groundbreaking study suggests COVID-19 virus might enter human brain

New study finds evidence of brain damage from COVID-19

Alarming COVID study indicates long-term loss of gray matter and other brain tissue

In a research paper recently uploaded to the preprint server medRxiv* by Prof. Gwenaëlle Douaud et al. (June 15th, 2021), participants that had taken part in a brain study prior to the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic were invited back for a series of follow-up tests, revealing significant losses...

www.news-medical.net

oof. Good grief. I’ll talk to my wife on this, MRI is her thing.

I’ll add to this that the number of post-covid heart scans among young people she’s done is troubling. She was really confused as to why so many younger people were coming in for cardiac MRIs as compared to a few years ago - until the covid link was made. Crazy stuff.

 

[Laramie]

Laramie - how are you feeling today? Any progress?

Had a rough night but a little better today. Numbers are a little better. Hopefully turning a corner.

For what it's worth, I just found out that the infusion is only able to be given during the first 10 days. I would encourage people to push that issue early.

 

[Oldhunter2]

Daughter in college test positive, she ws isolated and vaccinated in time. She had lost of taste and fever during the time. But she is back up to her feet now

 

[Bsd0323]

Covid positive since saturday, no vaccine. wife is vaccinated but tested positive and shes got it worse than me. Neither of us can smell or taste.

 

[Customweld]

Long and boring read, but interesting. Are we making the future of the disease worse with the "leaky" vaccine?

C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?

As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape...

www.geertvandenbossche.org

 

[isocyanate]

Heres some stuff to get started on reading if anyone wants to look into this more. There's quite a bit of info on this out there and more continues to come out on it as time passes.

I'd point out that the paper referenced by the last source is (1) in pre-print and (2) both study groups fit the well defined risk case for severe disease:

Long and boring read, but interesting. Are we making the future of the disease worse with the "leaky" vaccine?

C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?

As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape...

www.geertvandenbossche.org

Yes. Probably. Possibly. It has absolutely happened with marek's disease in poultry. But that is a disease for which hundreds of millions of animals are vaccinated every year, and for the last couple decades with similar recombinant technology to the Janssen vaccine. So while the progression in humans ought to be slower we have seen it happen in other systems, and like the bloodhound gang said, you and me aint nothing but mammals.

Imperfect vaccines and the evolution of pathogen virulence - PubMed

Vaccines rarely provide full protection from disease. Nevertheless, partially effective (imperfect) vaccines may be used to protect both individuals and whole populations. We studied the potential impact of different types of imperfect vaccines on the evolution of pathogen virulence (induced...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens - PMC

Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[TheGDog]

This country is being run by fools.

My belief here on this one.. is that somehow certain fools are being selected to become the "Front Man" to take the heat for the bad decisions the people behind the scenes pulling strings are attempting to orchestrate.

Kinda seems to make sense to me when you think about how quickly they mobilized to de facto oust Trump. And yes.. there are tons of stupid mofos all over the place... but.. I still don't think there were enough of them to cause "Bye-Then!" to be legally elected.

You'll remember that Trump did thing such as pass legislation to create more transparency for our healthcare. Showing what is billed to our insurance co's and what their agreed upon amount is.. and what they paid, etc.

Overall I'm thinking they didn't like that one very much. Also... if the idea it to Make America Great Again... I'm thinking such a strategy wouldn't involve us continuing to be the pocketbook for the rest of the worlds police'ing needs. And I have to imagine there are a number of big money player where that pissed them off. Also if Trump wouldn't want to continue us to be involved in a bunch of stupid wars that we should have never gotten into in the first place... THAT would throw a wrench into what has become the de facto personal savings bank / financing dept of the military-industrial complex.... whereby we give buncha dollars to other countries in "foreign aid", only to have them turn around and place orders for military gear from our companies over here.

It's soo blatant it's not even funny. PragerU even put up a vid about it... trying to support the idea of continuing to send money to Israel for example.. and I cannot believe somebody didn't review the video they made and go "Hey guys.. this actually kinda exposes this racket/scheme we've got going on.. do ya think we should be releasing this??"

Having trouble finding that one right now in order to post the link in here.

 

[FLATHEAD]

If we have money to send to other countries then I am being taxed waaaayy too much.

 

[durangobrad]

My belief here on this one.. is that somehow certain fools are being selected to become the "Front Man" to take the heat for the bad decisions the people behind the scenes pulling strings are attempting to orchestrate.

Kinda seems to make sense to me when you think about how quickly they mobilized to de facto oust Trump. And yes.. there are tons of stupid mofos all over the place... but.. I still don't think there were enough of them to cause "Bye-Then!" to be legally elected.

You'll remember that Trump did thing such as pass legislation to create more transparency for our healthcare. Showing what is billed to our insurance co's and what their agreed upon amount is.. and what they paid, etc.

Overall I'm thinking they didn't like that one very much. Also... if the idea it to Make America Great Again... I'm thinking such a strategy wouldn't involve us continuing to be the pocketbook for the rest of the worlds police'ing needs. And I have to imagine there are a number of big money player where that pissed them off. Also if Trump wouldn't want to continue us to be involved in a bunch of stupid wars that we should have never gotten into in the first place... THAT would throw a wrench into what has become the de facto personal savings bank / financing dept of the military-industrial complex.... whereby we give buncha dollars to other countries in "foreign aid", only to have them turn around and place orders for military gear from our companies over here.

It's soo blatant it's not even funny. PragerU even put up a vid about it... trying to support the idea of continuing to send money to Israel for example.. and I cannot believe somebody didn't review the video they made and go "Hey guys.. this actually kinda exposes this racket/scheme we've got going on.. do ya think we should be releasing this??"

Having trouble finding that one right now in order to post the link in here.

Maybe take it over to 24 hr campfire. This post has nothing to do with the topic of the thread....

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[TheGDog]

Maybe take it over to 24 hr campfire. This post has nothing to do with the topic of the thread....

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I understand your desire to possibly elect not to discuss the RELATED political components of the emergence of this annoying pathogen has caused and how it has granted some the power to exploit us. We've certainly all heard it ad nauseum.

But to state it has "nothing" to do with the topic of this thread... well... if it had nothing to do with it... then people wouldn't be bringing it up now, right?

EDIT: Long story shorter, I paid my dues... dearly... in terms of this particular pathogen. So... if I have an opinion about it and all it's off-shoot effects... I do believe I've very much earned the right to express them by having gone thru it. Nonetheless... I tip my hat to you, and will drop it.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Quite Relevant I'd say.