What is wrong with ruger rifles

[BLJ]

Just completed the install of the Timney on my 22 ARC. Took about 15 mins watching a video and following along, being careful. May actually be less than 2lbs. Drop tested it and no slam fires. It's insanely crisp and a significant improvement over the creep in the stock trigger. Gun was already shooting extremely well. But, this trigger is worth the upgrade, imo.

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Is there a lot of over travel after the trigger breaks?

 

[TNHighlands]

Is there a lot of over travel after the trigger breaks?

None that i can tell. Just went and dry fired it 10x to check and couldn't see/feel any.

 

[Steve300xcw]

Is there a lot of over travel after the trigger breaks?

set screw through the trigger or trigger guard will fix any over travel..............

 

[Kyguy]

set screw through the trigger or trigger guard will fix any over travel..............

I've done that several times myself over the years. What I do find a bit humorous is that people REALLY get hung up about overtravel.... but in the accuracy disciplines like F-class, BR, and such.... lots of those shooters use as much overtravel as possible in the trigger to keep from hitting a wall in the pull before the projectile leaves the barrel.

 

[92xj]

Well, here’s a conclusion post. Ended up getting the ruger gen 2. 20” 6mm creedmoor. Found a good deal on a vx5 and slapped that on there. First 5 shots were off paper, cleaned barrel then dry patched it. The next 15 shots are shown. I’m pretty impressed so far and think the kids will do just fine behind this gun.

 

[bikerj86]

Nothing is wrong with those. They are good for the money. Lots of features for the price, fluted barrels, threaded barrels, rail for the scope. I have a friend who got one with some cheap vortex scope for 550.00 or something cheap like that. He’s taken lots of animals with it and dosent baby the gun.

Edit to add: the one my friend has is a 6.5 creedmoor which would be better for your kid. That said, they make some even better ones like 6cm etc…

I had a gen 1 ruger american in 308 for years and loved it. Solid shooter imo

Love the Ruger American at its price point it is really hard to beat. Have a gen 1 in .223 that is fantastic rifle for the 400 bucks I paid for it. Hard to argue with a threaded barrel and accurate rifle out of the box for under 500 bones, gen 2 seem right in there! Love that they are producing 6 arc and 6cm out the factory with appropriate twisting, seems like a no brainer solution for a

What is wrong with a ruger American gen 2 20” suppressed 6.5prc low end scope for the kids to grow up on? Lop gets pretty short which is nice for my 7 year old. Also its pretty low in weight. Only deer, antelope and bears will fall to this gun. 500 yards or less. Most likely run hammer hunters as I have really enjoyed them in my 300wm the last 7 years and everything has died very well for me. I know the tikkas are well talked about but I’m trying to keep this cost way down for what it is. I don’t have a desire to buy a factory rifle and then pay to have it cut down and then buy a new stock as well. The ruger seems to fit the bill the best, numbers wise. I’ve been out of the buying rifles game for a long time and am trying to figure out my research now, to purchase in two months or so.

 

[Old Hickory 45]

I dislike the factory trigger of my new Ruger American Ranch gen 2 5.56 rifle and expect my Timney trigger to arrive to my mailbox today. Timney factory set the trigger at 2 pounds.

 

[craigrh13]

Ruger Americans for the money are very hard to beat. No they aren't as refined as guns double their cost but their out of the box accuracy is superb. A $15 mcarbo spring cleans up the trigger, a little polishing and wet sanding the bolt cleans up the action, and any aftermarket stock fixes the cheap feel of the stock. I love my Rugers. With that being said these new Savage 110's that are coming out look like they could be very nice bargain guns too.

 

[92xj]

I actually put a timney in the gun a few days ago. It’s a huge upgrade and the kids could really tell a very positive difference. I’m also hoping the 50 dryfires a night by the boy won’t eventually hurt anything. He likes trigger time but can only shoot on the weekends, so letting him build up that muscle memory during the weeknights.

 

[TNHighlands]

I dislike the factory trigger of my new Ruger American Ranch gen 2 5.56 rifle and expect my Timney trigger to arrive to my mailbox today. Timney factory set the trigger at 2 pounds.

You'll be thrilled. It's night and day.

 

[sneaky]

They're running $600+

Why anyone would pick one over a Howa/Tikka/Sauer at that price is beyond me.

Because Howa actions feel like trash, and until Tikka decided to join this century and offer threaded barrels, you could get an RAR with cerakote, fluted barrel, and threaded, for a couple hundred less than a Tikka. I haven't paid $600 for any of the RAR rifles I've bought, usually a lot less than that. Tikka has a great action, and a ton of aftermarket support, but they don't really shoot any better than the RARs. Sub MOA from both is sub MOA. For someone on a budget, they are a good option.

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[sneaky]

Thats more than a tikka! Granted you'd have to get the thing threaded but still...

A Tikka that's cerakoted, fluted, and threaded? Not hardly lol. You can also get more caliber options in the RAR. Hell, the first thing most people who buy Tikkas do is change barrels, and stocks. That puts you way above the RAR. Where's the 22CM, 6CM, 6ARC, and 22ARC factory Tikkas? The 6CM won't be around till later this year, the other ones probably in the 2030s the way Tikka operates

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[ProRoad]

I put a Timney trigger upgrade (2.5 pounds) in my Ruger American Gen 2. 7.08 this weekend and proceeded to shoot the tightest groups I have ever shot while doing some handload testing. I have now decided to keep the factory stock and go with a Salmon River Solutions Arca rail. This rifle is now much less of a regret and I look forward to hunting Coyotes to Elk.

 

[BLJ]

I have now decided to keep the factory stock and go with a Salmon River Solutions Arca rail.

You can get ARCA rails off of Amazon for cheap.

It would match the factory stock better.

 

[ProRoad]

I looked on Amazon but no luck, they all had too much structure such as M-lok slots that would interfere with the convex nature of the stock. The SRS rail is made with a concave slot and the pre drilled internal holes on the RA gen 2. I chose the 9 inch rail.
https://www.salmonriversolutions.com/product/ruger-american-gen-ii-arca/

There is one other rail which is quite beautiful but too short for my liking. https://www.buffstuffsd.com/products/ruger-american-gen-2-arca-rail

 

[z987k]

Because Howa actions feel like trash, and until Tikka decided to join this century and offer threaded barrels, you could get an RAR with cerakote, fluted barrel, and threaded, for a couple hundred less than a Tikka. I haven't paid $600 for any of the RAR rifles I've bought, usually a lot less than that. Tikka has a great action, and a ton of aftermarket support, but they don't really shoot any better than the RARs. Sub MOA from both is sub MOA. For someone on a budget, they are a good option.

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Have you had many failure to feed problems with the Ruger? I've seen some videos recently that show a few people having trouble with them operating a)smooth at all and b) not feeding from the magazine well.
It might just be some recent issues with QC.

I agree an all fronts, the ruger is a lot cheaper by the time you get the tikke threaded and in the chambering you want, though I'd argue you need to replace the stock and trigger on the rugger asap like you probably will replace the stock and barrel on the tikka(if you want one of the many chamberings in the RAR not in the tikka).

 

[Old Hickory 45]

My Timney trigger arrived today for my Ruger American Ranch gen 2 5.56 rifle . Timney factory set the trigger on 2 pounds and my rifle will be wearing the new trigger tomorrow. Then a good tryout session is in order. In the trigger box was also a Tootsie Roll sucker and must be an apology for messing up my first order and the delays, lol.

 

[Cherokeeguide]

What is wrong with a ruger American gen 2

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't stop it from being a pig. Applying Gen-2 lipstick to the Ruger American doesn't stop it from being the bargain-bin bolt action rifle that the "RAR" was meant to be. The lipstick does drive up the price, though.

The action runs with a gritty, unrefined, unfinished feel. The trigger is creepy enough to star in a horror show. The cheap Tupperware stock of the Gen-1 has been replaced by another cheap Tupperware stock. Color me unimpressed. I wouldn't buy one for my kids because I wouldn't want one myself. Like me, they'd rather have an AR-15.

Lop gets pretty short which is nice for my 7 year old

The LOP on the DPMS Oracle I bought for my daughter got pretty short, too, which was nice for my kids when they were 7 years old, but so was the gas-operated, semi-auto action, coupled with the already mild-mannered 5.56 NATO cartridge.

6.5prc

I have yet to meet a 7 year old kid who would rather shoot a 6 - 6.5 pound bolt-action rifle with .270 Winchester recoil instead of an AR-15 "optics-ready carbine" in 5.56 NATO.


So far, we're saddling a kid with what is, in essence, a bargain-bin bolt action rifle with a less than stellar trigger. In order to suck even more joy out of the shooting experience, we're also getting it in a cartridge with recoil on par with a .270 Winchester. Finally, to insure the non-success of this endeavor, we have this:

low end scope

I have visions of some obscure brand sold on Amazon for $35.00 to $40.00. The phrase "low end scope" has me thinking "poor quality" these days, rather than "low price." Hawke scopes don't cost much, but they tend to be usable, reasonably rugged, and reliable, without costing a lot. I've got a Weaver 2-7 x 32 that didn't cost a lot, but is slightly better optically than the Leupold Vari-X II c's that I used to use.

Also its pretty low in weight.

Which is an excellent reason to buy it chambered into something a 7 year old kid is going to want to shoot instead of what Dad thinks is the coolest thing.

Only deer, antelope and bears will fall to this gun.

I filled 21 mule deer tags, 3 pronghorn tags, 2 caribou tags, and 1 bull elk tag with the pipsqueak .250 Savage loaded to SAAMI pressure, and I couldn't count the number of California Central Coast swine I piled up wit it. Out of my Ruger M77RL Ultralight, which came with a 20" barrel, my .250 Savage ammo had the same terminal ballistic performance that I can duplicate (70 grain Barnes X) or exceed ( 77 grain Sierra Match King or Tipped Match King) with the 5.56 NATO today. You might WANT a 6.5 PRC, but you don't need one to cleanly kill the animals listed.

500 yards or less.

Hopefully less. Much less. Why? Because you also wrote this:

The gun will not be used for plinking too much, but it will happen some.

If you're buy a rifle for a 7 year old kid with the idea that he or she won't be shooting it much, you're buying the wrong rifle. I think you know that, yet your original post reads like it was written by someone seeking validation for a choice already made than someone seeking to make the very best possible choice.

My thought process on the 6.5 prc over 6mm is I’m old school and always think heavier is better.

"Old school" is me whacking mule deer with a c.1912 .250-3000 Savage instead of a more powerful .243 Winchester. I think YOU want a 6.5 PRC and you're using a 7 year old kid as an excuse to buy one. If you REALLY "always think heavier is better," then why aren't you shooting a .338 Winchester Magnum or .340 Weatherby instead of a .300 Winchester Magnum? A .375 Holland and Holland can have a 0-300 trajectory substantively similar to the .30-'06 and you never have to worry about whether you have enough gun with that cartridge.

Your thought process has nothing to do with that best suits a 7 year old kid. If your kid is going to be successful in the field, you need to ditch the idea of expecting a kid with little to no off-season practice with a rifle having the same felt recoil of a .270 Winchester is going to make clean, killing shots out to the 500 yard line.

I was a licensed guide (#2725) in California. I guided pig hunters in the Central Coast region. REGARDLESS OF AGE, the clients who shot the best in the field were those who were users of firearms, rather than mere owners; people who shot a rifle they were comfortable shooting during extended range sessions. I'd rather hunt with a kid who spent a year sending thousands of bullets from a 6mm TCU out of the barrel of a T/C Contender Carbine than a 7 year old armed with a 6.5 PRC he or she only shot a handful of times and didn't enjoy shooting.

Also, we are constantly in wind and hoping to lessen the effect of the wind, even if a tiny little bit.

The wind blows at Camp Perry near Port Clinton, Ohio when the National Matches are held there. A high master shooting CMP Service Rifle can score 200/200 during the slow-fire prone phase of the course of fire. He or she can do that with the 5.56 NATO at 600 yards on a target with a 36" aiming black and a 12" 10 -ring.

And he or she can do that because bullet diameter and weight doesn't mitigate wind drift. Ballistic Coefficient and flight time do.

And he or she can do that because he or she gets lots of practice shooting 600 yard prone between matches.

"The kids are pretty tough. The gun will not be used for plinking too much, but it will happen some."

No 7-year old kid is "tough." No 7 year old kid comes out of the womb with the ability to whack a pronghorn at 500 yards, either. If your 7 year old is so damn tough, why not let him or her plink away with the 6.5 PRC you've got your heart set on? I'll take a wild-ass guess and say it is because you know that kid really isn't tough enough to handle an extended range session with it.

 

[Shortschaf]

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't stop it from being a pig. Applying Gen-2 lipstick to the Ruger American doesn't stop it from being the bargain-bin bolt action rifle that the "RAR" was meant to be. The lipstick does drive up the price, though.

The action runs with a gritty, unrefined, unfinished feel. The trigger is creepy enough to star in a horror show. The cheap Tupperware stock of the Gen-1 has been replaced by another cheap Tupperware stock. Color me unimpressed. I wouldn't buy one for my kids because I wouldn't want one myself. Like me, they'd rather have an AR-15.




The LOP on the DPMS Oracle I bought for my daughter got pretty short, too, which was nice for my kids when they were 7 years old, but so was the gas-operated, semi-auto action, coupled with the already mild-mannered 5.56 NATO cartridge.



I have yet to meet a 7 year old kid who would rather shoot a 6 - 6.5 pound bolt-action rifle with .270 Winchester recoil instead of an AR-15 "optics-ready carbine" in 5.56 NATO.


So far, we're saddling a kid with what is, in essence, a bargain-bin bolt action rifle with a less than stellar trigger. In order to suck even more joy out of the shooting experience, we're also getting it in a cartridge with recoil on par with a .270 Winchester. Finally, to insure the non-success of this endeavor, we have this:



I have visions of some obscure brand sold on Amazon for $35.00 to $40.00. The phrase "low end scope" has me thinking "poor quality" these days, rather than "low price." Hawke scopes don't cost much, but they tend to be usable, reasonably rugged, and reliable, without costing a lot. I've got a Weaver 2-7 x 32 that didn't cost a lot, but is slightly better optically than the Leupold Vari-X II c's that I used to use.




Which is an excellent reason to buy it chambered into something a 7 year old kid is going to want to shoot instead of what Dad thinks is the coolest thing.




I filled 21 mule deer tags, 3 pronghorn tags, 2 caribou tags, and 1 bull elk tag with the pipsqueak .250 Savage loaded to SAAMI pressure, and I couldn't count the number of California Central Coast swine I piled up wit it. Out of my Ruger M77RL Ultralight, which came with a 20" barrel, my .250 Savage ammo had the same terminal ballistic performance that I can duplicate (70 grain Barnes X) or exceed ( 77 grain Sierra Match King or Tipped Match King) with the 5.56 NATO today. You might WANT a 6.5 PRC, but you don't need one to cleanly kill the animals listed.




Hopefully less. Much less. Why? Because you also wrote this:



If you're buy a rifle for a 7 year old kid with the idea that he or she won't be shooting it much, you're buying the wrong rifle. I think you know that, yet your original post reads like it was written by someone seeking validation for a choice already made than someone seeking to make the very best possible choice.




"Old school" is me whacking mule deer with a c.1912 .250-3000 Savage instead of a more powerful .243 Winchester. I think YOU want a 6.5 PRC and you're using a 7 year old kid as an excuse to buy one. If you REALLY "always think heavier is better," then why aren't you shooting a .338 Winchester Magnum or .340 Weatherby instead of a .300 Winchester Magnum? A .375 Holland and Holland can have a 0-300 trajectory substantively similar to the .30-'06 and you never have to worry about whether you have enough gun with that cartridge.

Your thought process has nothing to do with that best suits a 7 year old kid. If your kid is going to be successful in the field, you need to ditch the idea of expecting a kid with little to no off-season practice with a rifle having the same felt recoil of a .270 Winchester is going to make clean, killing shots out to the 500 yard line.

I was a licensed guide (#2725) in California. I guided pig hunters in the Central Coast region. REGARDLESS OF AGE, the clients who shot the best in the field were those who were users of firearms, rather than mere owners; people who shot a rifle they were comfortable shooting during extended range sessions. I'd rather hunt with a kid who spent a year sending thousands of bullets from a 6mm TCU out of the barrel of a T/C Contender Carbine than a 7 year old armed with a 6.5 PRC he or she only shot a handful of times and didn't enjoy shooting.




The wind blows at Camp Perry near Port Clinton, Ohio when the National Matches are held there. A high master shooting CMP Service Rifle can score 200/200 during the slow-fire prone phase of the course of fire. He or she can do that with the 5.56 NATO at 600 yards on a target with a 36" aiming black and a 12" 10 -ring.

And he or she can do that because bullet diameter and weight doesn't mitigate wind drift. Ballistic Coefficient and flight time do.

And he or she can do that because he or she gets lots of practice shooting 600 yard prone between matches.

"The kids are pretty tough. The gun will not be used for plinking too much, but it will happen some."

No 7-year old kid is "tough." No 7 year old kid comes out of the womb with the ability to whack a pronghorn at 500 yards, either. If your 7 year old is so damn tough, why not let him or her plink away with the 6.5 PRC you've got your heart set on? I'll take a wild-ass guess and say it is because you know that kid really isn't tough enough to handle an extended range session with it.

14 posts ago (this very same page) the OP said he got a 6mm creed for his kiddo

But hey we all really enjoy your novel ringing with positivity

 

[BLJ]

14 posts ago (this very same page) the OP said he got a 6mm creed for his kiddo

But hey we all really enjoy your novel ringing with positivity

Hard to wax poetic and pay attention at the same time.