What is wrong with ruger rifles

[TNHighlands]

Sorry, I should have been more clear on my last question. After the first few hours of this thread, I’ve been convinced to be done with the 6.5prc thought and am now onto the 6mm creed thought. 6mm arc vs 6mm creedmore. Surely the 6cm with a can is light enough recoil. Looking at numbers, I think id rather be in a 20” 6mmCM over a 16” 6mmARC. (Remember my old man way of thinking , bigger is better; I can’t kick that thought completely out of the brain yet). If I continue my use with the hammers, I want to be well above the lowest working speed at 500 yards

There's mountains of evidence on Rokslide to overcome the "old man" way of thinking. It's not complicated. Same exact bullets, 200fps less. Unless you plan to kill animals beyond 600yds, the arc gives up nothing to the creed. Dropped my buck this year at 175 yds with the arc (AR). Made a believer out of me. Enough to buy a ruger in 22 arc for next year...

Cheaper ammo, more practice, zero recoil. That's all you could ask/hope for kids that age.

 

[K9kodi]

Growing up hunting in va I still find it odd people can use 22 cal bullets for big game. Not that you’re wrong, just never see it here.

 

[TNHighlands]

Growing up hunting in va I still find it odd people can use 22 cal bullets for big game. Not that you’re wrong, just never see it here.

 

[TNHighlands]

Yet to see big game animal (to include walrus and moose) that can survive that^^^ but i digress.

Rugers punch above their weight class. It's no tikka (bolt and triggers are both much rougher) but, unlike tikka, they make threaded models in barrel lengths and cartridges people want.

 

[K9kodi]

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I don’t doubt your comments, it’s just not legal here.

 

[nm.otter]

Add another 0.19" and make it a 6mm. Even more devastation.

 

[eric1115]

Why an arc over the cm in a bolt gun?

.243 with a 108

6mm ARC with a 108

.223 with a 77

Suppressor brought .243 to near unsuppressed ARC and brought ARC to near unsuppressed .223, I can upload those too if people want to see.

If you hit play at the same time on these videos, you can see recoil impulse happen side by side.

Also, there's a lot of good info in the thread that post is in, from a lot of different people.

 

[eric1115]

Why an arc over the cm in a bolt gun?

Also, after seeing what the 77TMK does out of a .223 and what the 108/109 ELDM does out of a 6mmARC on game, I sold my 7mmRM to fund a .243AI build for my own kill-everything-at-all-ranges gun. When I bought that 7mmRM, I was a whisker away from instead getting a .300WM to shoot 215 Bergers. There is hope for Old Guy Big Gun wisdom adherents! Our family has a pretty good pile of critters now killed with those bullets, no regrets!

 

[nw nm hunter]

We dont have the gen2 in the 6.5prc but do have it in 22arc. As all rugers do, it shoots good groups. You can also upgrade the trigger later if you decide to and an mdt stock when they grow a little older. Depending on recoil you can always add a brake to your can or load at lower velocities. Just fyi the threads are 1/2 on ours so you may need an adapter

 

[diygunsmith]

i guess ill be the odd man out. i had 2 ruger americans in 270 both were trash. i sent them back and got replacements and neither would shoot worth a darn. i sold them and picked up a cz600 st3 that was a few more dollars than a ruger and im in lone it shoots amazing its super smooth,and its threaded.on a side note i got a ruger ranch in 5.56 that just shoots,i had to polish it up a bit to get rid of the zipper noise but its a shooter.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Tikka compact in a 8 twist .243 win.

 

[Kyguy]

i guess ill be the odd man out. i had 2 ruger americans in 270 both were trash. i sent them back and got replacements and neither would shoot worth a darn. i sold them and picked up a cz600 st3 that was a few more dollars than a ruger and im in lone it shoots amazing its super smooth,and its threaded.on a side note i got a ruger ranch in 5.56 that just shoots,i had to polish it up a bit to get rid of the zipper noise but its a shooter.

Any factory rifle is a crap shoot. I've had three Ruger americans. One was a predator in .223 that had a bolt lift so stiff you could not work the rifle from the shoulder and it wouldn't shoot anything I tried into less than 1.5 for three shots. Another was an American ranch in 7.62x39 and it shot amazingly, even steel cased military ammo would go into less than an inch for five shots. Premium ammo was much better. I couldn't get past the magazine system, I didn't like that it locked the bolt open when it was empty. The other one I had was a special run stainless in the very first generation that had been cut and threaded at 18 in, in 223. It was a slow twist Barrel and it didn't even have the cut out in the bottom of the action for AR compatibility. So it literally was first generation. The action on that rifle felt as about as good as anything other factory rifle that I had at the time, no zipper noise and smooth as can be.

I bought two Tikka T3 rifles when they first hit market a coupl decades ago, one in .223 and one on 30-06. I only kept them a couple of months before I sold them, I just was not impressed with him at the time. I had several other rifles that shot rings around both of them, with the words Remington, Winchester, and Savage on the actions. They are obviously better rifles now, or they wouldn't have the following that they do. I'm still just not that interested in them though. I keep debating one in .223, but I'd rather have a .223 with 1-7 for the heavy bullets after playing with a few other rifles that were 1-8.

 

[alexnelon]

On the topic of cheap Ruger Americans, the new Glenfield Model A is just a Gen 1 American re-release.

A 1 in 9" twist, 20-inch threaded .243 for ~$450 is a lot harder to argue against just grab a few pounds of 95 TMKs and call it good enough.

 

[z987k]

Tikka compact in a 8 twist .243 win.

If he can find one of these for a fair price this is a really good way to go as well.

 

[Steve300xcw]

If an 8" was available I'd for sure grab that. But a 10 twist 243 would not bother me in anyway

 

[BLJ]

On the topic of cheap Ruger Americans, the new Glenfield Model A is just a Gen 1 American re-release.

A 1 in 9" twist, 20-inch threaded .243 for ~$450 is a lot harder to argue against just grab a few pounds of 95 TMKs and call it good enough.

I was actually looking at this rifle/bullet combo last night.

I know it’s not the most accepted on here but I was looking at that rifle/bullet combo, Arken EPL 4-16 in SWFA rings and the new Lyman OTB can (if it’s decent) as a budget setup.

I think a person could kill a lot for right at $1k.

 

[Weldor]

Got the Gen II in 6CM when they first came out. It's a shooter for sure. The trigger is my dislike, I will put Timney or something else in. Otherwise it serves it purpose. It's accurate. I need to get my hands on a used Ranch so I can do the 300 Ham'r conversion, make a great truck gun.

 

[bnewt3]

Look at the new Savage 110 CORE models, all new adjustable stock with no tools, supposedly smoother bolt, shorter threaded barrels available, lots of modern cartridge options as well as the old standards. A bit on the heavy side, and even paying big bucks for the carbon barrel doesnt help all that much. Also $3-400 more than a RA G2, but worth a look.

 

[TNHighlands]

Also, after seeing what the 77TMK does out of a .223 and what the 108/109 ELDM does out of a 6mmARC on game, I sold my 7mmRM to fund a .243AI build for my own kill-everything-at-all-ranges gun. When I bought that 7mmRM, I was a whisker away from instead getting a .300WM to shoot 215 Bergers. There is hope for Old Guy Big Gun wisdom adherents! Our family has a pretty good pile of critters now killed with those bullets, no regrets!

We dont have the gen2 in the 6.5prc but do have it in 22arc. As all rugers do, it shoots good groups. You can also upgrade the trigger later if you decide to and an mdt stock when they grow a little older. Depending on recoil you can always add a brake to your can or load at lower velocities. Just fyi the threads are 1/2 on ours so you may need an adapter

Got the Gen II in 6CM when they first came out. It's a shooter for sure. The trigger is my dislike, I will put Timney or something else in. Otherwise it serves it purpose. It's accurate. I need to get my hands on a used Ranch so I can do the 300 Ham'r conversion, make a great truck gun.

Just completed the install of the Timney on my 22 ARC. Took about 15 mins watching a video and following along, being careful. May actually be less than 2lbs. Drop tested it and no slam fires. It's insanely crisp and a significant improvement over the creep in the stock trigger. Gun was already shooting extremely well. But, this trigger is worth the upgrade, imo.

 

[fatlander]

My unbraked, unsuppressed tikka superlite 6.5 cm is easier on the shoulder with a limb saver recoil pad shooting 140 grain accubonds, than my dad’s 4 port braked 6.5prc Winchester xpr shooting 143 grain eld-x. A suppressor on that gun would make the recoil worse than the brake.

~200fps absolutely isn’t worth the additional recoil at the distances your kids are realistically going to be shooting.

My dad’s XPR is a tack driver and the trigger is just as good as the tikka from my perspective. Sample size of 1, it’s a budget gun I’d buy.

I’m with everyone else, get your kid a .243/6 creed or at most a 6.5 creed.


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