What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

So, there's some clarification points that should be made here...the biggest is that there are many reasons lighter-recoiling helps produce better shooters in field realities:


The small caliber evangelists are advocating for minimizing recoil to aid in spotting shots not because of physical discomfort.

This is part of the equation, but a secondary one - the bigger part resides in making the absolute best first shot possible, no matter the situation at hand.


man what a bunch of pussies

This psychological reaction has got to be hardwired into the Y-chromosome. Bigger weapon = bigger man. Smaller weapon = p*ssy who can't handle manhood. Along with, "I am man, I am tool master."

The absence of this is also why women learn to shoot better, faster, all else being equal.


I don't miss with this thing and it's basically a giant death ray

Have you tried this basic measurement of field-shooting competence with the .338 yet?



The thought process is that the physics involved dictate that all other things equal, the lighter recoiling rifle will be more consistent. Nothing to do with pain tolerance or anything like that, it's just physics. The muzzle is going to wiggle around less before the bullet leaves

This is actually a pretty big miss, my friend. There's also some commonly held Fudd-lore in this take on things. The reality is that any accuracy difference between large vs small cartridges from "muzzle wiggle" as the bullet leaves would be so tiny that it would be hard to measure from a fixed bench-mounted shooting fixture. It has zero bearing on human capabilities with that gun.

The reality is that the far larger part of "lighter recoiling = better shooting" is that it's psychological.

The easiest way to test this, is to fire 10 rounds out of your .338 from any position not prone, at a target 100yds out. Even better if you do it within that test I linked above.

Then do it again, but mix in a couple of snap-caps/dummy rounds, in a way where you have zero idea where they are.

Your flinch will be revealed on the snap-cap shot, and will be utterly embarrassing.

That flinch isn't coming from anticipated pain - most of it is coming from a combination of overall anticipated sensory load and mindshare of operations. It's the combo of performance-demand in the mental-physical mechanics of executing the fundamentals of a shot, anticipating the moment of trigger-press, recovering from the shot, getting back on target, assessing the shot, tension about what that shot means, and taking next steps. Every bit of this sensory and mental loading is magnified as recoil goes up, along with varying microseconds of mental-load shock with a violent strike to your body.

The more sensory load you can remove, the less mindshare will be occupied on it, and the more you can focus on excellence in your fundamentals and cycling through it.

All shooting is 95% mental. The more sensory-mental load you can remove, the better.


EDIT: I personally have a round-count of somewhere around low/mid 6-figures of pistol ammo I've fired over the last 40 years. This is a photo of part of my normal routine - IIRC, on this day it was about 50 snap caps randomly mixed in over the course of about 300rds of fire. To this day, I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've made it through 50 snap-caps without flinching at least once. This is just 9mm. Flinching's not about pain, it's what happens with an imbalance between sensory load and mental focus.
 

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No, but I'll try to do it next chance I get. I do my best to stay away from the bench when I do get a chance to shoot.


There's also some commonly held Fudd-lore in this take on things. The reality is that any accuracy difference between large vs small cartridges from "muzzle wiggle" as the bullet leaves would be so tiny that it would be hard to measure from a fixed bench-mounted shooting fixture. It has zero bearing on human capabilities with that gun.

I've always assumed that the difficulty in making hits from weird positions was from the rifle moving inconsistently under recoil. It seems the flinch would be a consistently inconsistent error driver?
 
I've always assumed that the difficulty in making hits from weird positions was from the rifle moving inconsistently under recoil.

It's more about the rifle moving because of the inconsistency of the body, in a given position, especially when you don't have extensive reps in that exact body posture, at that angle, with the wind blowing, etc. This is why, within limits, people also tend to shoot better with heavier guns, rather than really light ones. The heft absorbs a bit of the micro-movement mistakes your body is trying to make. Plus, weight absorbs a little recoil too, reducing some of that sensory loading.

It seems the flinch would be a consistently inconsistent error driver?

Absolutely. It's extremely hard to remove, because human. But it almost always comes down to that imbalance between sensory load and mental focus.
 
Actually, I have some places that I could shoot over a mile. It's narrow and straight right of ways which in places pass through the nasty stuff. The longest straight piece of clearing I have that is entirely on my property is ~ 2,200 yards.

That said, due to the width of the right of way and how much time a buck will spend on it, I've never shot one past 400 yards.
2200y of uninterrupted sight line for a shot opportunity sounds like a fantastic place for a private range!
 
I know. I need to rig one up. My furthest target at the normal shooting spot is 600 yards. Its a bit of a chore to get to. Requires a boat.
 
Am I the only one that never has the perfect shot? I do a lot of still hunting in tall grass and swamps. Have tried the 6mms but without snow whitetail are extremely hard to find. Love the 35 cals or leverguns for this job. I think the trend is so called experts on youtube are brainwashing everyone into this fad of small caliber and long range shots. If that tickles your fancy have at it. I like aiming for my exit from almost any angle.
This seems like relatively short range hunting you describe. If you are having trouble killing deer quickly with a 6mm there is some other issue causing that. A 6mm is more than enough for any deer at any angle at moderate ranges. If you like large caliber lever guns, that’s cool and obviously will work.
 
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