Welcome to RS. Here is the above referenced thread about 223s. I shared your view and changed my mind. You may not, but you may still find it interesting.
I have also killed three deer with the 243 with three shots. The two 100gr bullet's I used did shoot through but the 75gr bullet made a mess inside and didn't go through. I believe the real down side of the 243 is lack of good bullets! 25 cal has a better selection of them up to 120gr. and the 250-3000 Is not going to up the recoil much in fact neither does the 25-06 but the muzzle blast from the 25-06 does bother some people. I've shot both 25's. The 243 will definitely work with well placed shot's, no questions about it. But it keeps getting recommended for young and new shooter's to lesson recoil. I think that a bit more performance at near the same recoil is a plus! I was an instructor on a shooting range in the service while stationed in Europe and something I found surprised me. American shooter's are not all that great of shooters and some of these less than good shooter's take up hunting. They sight in their rifles at large targest ands figure if they hit the target enough, they are good to go! I have watched other's shooting that amazed me they ever hit a target. And ya know what? Most these people get direction from internet forums like these these days. On these forums the majority of poster's are people that do have shooting skills but at times I think they are more interested in getting good comments than teach people anything. Oh wow, he shoot's a magnum. Maybe I should to! Guys on these forums have a great deal to do with the lurker's problems!
That is a lot of wasted meat! best shot I'd call the neck shot. Dead right there with lot less wasted meat. Miss understood your question which are which. You'll notice every shot but the neck shot waste's a lot of meat, the 243 and 223 if used in one of these is as bad as the rest problem being the 22 and 243 bullets are more fragile. But either the 223 or 243 on a neck shot will not damage that much meat! Take the same shot's with most other cartridges and place them that poorly and your still gonna have to much meat loss. Something I found with my 25-06 is that the 100gr bullet so many like for it on deer is destructive as can be. Step up to the 117gr bullet and destruction goes down considerably. 117gr bullet stronger constructed for the job. Deer shot with the 117gr bullet tend to walkoff a bit and lai down dead. With the 100gr bullet they normally get jerked off their feel, lighter constructed bullet.
Cameron is right. Years ago I had a family to feed and not a lot of income, I fed my family! If things were the same today, I'd feed my family! You don't like it, I don't care!
Scratch your jaw if you want. If your doing it about the difference between the 100gr and 117gr bullet, I been there and seen it first hand! I have always subsistence hunted so I find wasting meat simply to kill something off color! And I don't take photo's of animals I've killed either, never have and never will without some good reason. I think the animal deserves better than that!
Pretty quick I suppose!Oh boy, another one replying to their own posts! How long before we get a "Suck it" reply?
Jay
Buddy. Put the bottle down and take a nap. It’s past your bedtime at this point.
Yep!
I don’t think you’d see a difference in performance between a 117 grain .25 bullet and a 90-100 grain .243 bullet. I get that you didn't like the performance of the 75 grain bullet but there are a ton of 90+ grain options that perform great on deer. I’m skeptical that there’s any tangible advantage of a 117 grain bullet from a 250 savage over something like a 95 grain partition or ballistic tip from a .243
No one is trying to belittle you, your experience or feelings. But, there are those on this site that have contributed a very large database of factual material that proves much of what people believe to be gospel, based on what they’ve been told or seen in very small sample sizes, to be categorically incorrect.
You might be right but I have seen the difference between the 100gr bullet from the 243 and the 117gr bullet from the 25-06, have used both! I'll take the 25 cal bullet!
No one wants to waste meat? Go back up and look at the photos!
Your comment about shot placement and the meat that is wasted is irrelevant to the point we are trying to get you to understand. What it does do is show that even those small cartridges can be optimized to create significant wound channels, larger than you care for. What is important is bullet construction. It’s just as easy to limit that wound channel as well, if that is what you are after. It proves the point that if one chooses, a .224 or .243 is absolutely sufficient to humanely kill most big game animals.
No he posted those asking which one was killed with a 223 vs 30 cal magnum. No one can ever tell.
