What bothers me is all of the “I had a bad experience” is anecdotal.
And, the vast majority of the “failures” in the anecdotes aren’t recovered so how do we know they aren’t #1 or #2 problems leading to #4?
Why does it have to be #3 bullet failure? Look at the pictures and evidence.
So, what is the stronger body of evidence?
If you don’t believe our stories with pictures and video, why should we believe yours without? Seeing is believing.
That is why there is a Rokslide trend, people are posting pics here.
I love the absolute carnage of my Bergers because I get a couple more inches of penetration than the ELDm and TMK. Hard to believe those words.
This pic says more than I ever could about what happened inside this animal before the bullet exited with a bit of the inside on the outside.
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Body armor, like elk and bears wear on the other websitesIs there any data out there on why our military selected chamberings like the .300 norma and 300 prc over rounds like the 6.5 creedmoor and the like? I’m genuinely interested in what factors lead them to select magnum .30 cals in these next generation sniper weapon systems.
Is it the max effective range determined by when the bullet enters transonic flight? Maybe an anti-material aspect to it?
You are right. That is one of the trends within PRS that also have their nearby caliber prone ELR rigs.Bringing up PRS/NRL is funny to me, because a vast majority of guys in those spaces will still bring up energy and the need for a bigger cartridge when it comes to hunting, that I've seen anyway.
I’m all for a little hyperbole….but when folks start talking about the “thousands” of animals they’ve killed…the credibility starts to fade a bit.
If you’re a hunter that’s over 50 and a professional “meat” hunter in some capacity like kangaroos in Australia or something…ok, maybe.
Beyond that…I call bullchit. Want to make me eat my words?…post up some photos of your face with even a single “thousand“.
Let me be clear I do not doubt the effectiveness of .223s or associated TMKs. I killed my first deer with one in 2016 with my AR. I killed a bull and a buck with 88s last season and posted the photos.
It’s the “thousands” of animals part that’s just a bit much to swallow.
It’s the internet though…we’re all ninjas right? Everyone needs a hero I guess.
I’ve taken AR in a couple calibers (.223 Rem, 6.8 SPC) into the woods. They are without peer when you get into a sounder - they’re also great when you need to make follow-ups on running game. I ran mine with an Accupoint, but a RDS would work just as well. In the woods, especially, magnification isnt required and can be more hindrance than it’s worth.I would 100% be using an AR with an LPVO for at least one tag just to see if it's for me. If it wasn't, my .45-70 or .375 Win lever rifles would come out, and I'd shoot cast bullets through the lungs.
Part of this comes down the hunters presented with situations where there is no good shot… or they don’t have the skill to make the shot offered… and they shoot anyway.Generally, my view is this- match the tool to the task based on a sub optimal shot. I’ve seen deer killed with 22lr. That’s not a good plan, though. Plan to take a shot through bone, through grass filled paunch, at distance (where your velocity has dropped to a point where bullet expansion windows matter), and be able to do so quickl…without your Kestrel.
I would always rather a rifle. I think you misunderstood me, but I was trying not to be too wordy and cut descriptions short, so I can see how what I was saying was misunderstood.Have you ever had a big coastal brown bear skull in your hands? (Like a beetled or boiled skull) there is nothing there that is going to stop a tmk, they are not that thick.
I would way rather have 5 shots with an AR than one with my s&w 500, and in an actual situation, you almost certainly aren’t getting more than one shot with a big wheel gun
5 tmk’s to the face, head, and neck (probably not super precision shooting in that situation) or one big narrow wound somewhere?
I love shooting big wheel guns, but I don’t think there is a single scenario in this country that I would rather pack one if my life depended on it.
You sound like the perfect candidate for the “anti-Form”.On the other hand I think it a lot weird how many people blindly follow someone’s advice as the gospel without trying it out for themselves.
I have a least (2) scopes that allegedly failed “the test” by merely riding in a vehicle. Mine are still dead on zero after several years of riding in trucks, atvs and golf carts in rough rocky “roads”. If you’ve ever ridden off road in a lifted golf cart, rough is an understatement.
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This is what people don't understand. I don't give a steaming turd in flight how many animals the guy has killed. His advice regarding guns is consistently solid. He either has the experience to back it up, or is a master of listening to those who do. Either way, the result is the same.Ultimately I don't really care if Form is actually a crazy cat lady living in New Jersey and this is the biggest troll in the history of the internet. His suggestions and advice work for me, so I will continue to use and enjoy the .223.
You sound like the perfect candidate for the “anti-Form”.
Let’s get the N. Texas crowd together and do our own drop tests to prove your point…
This is so true. Game has been lost due to wounding with every rifle cartridge in every reloading manual and game has been taken with every rifle cartridge in every reloading manual with every bullet in every reloading manual. Warranties have been used on every optic from Barska to Tangent Theta. Every rifle from Mossberg to Seekins has a rifle make it to the consumer that came back for one issue or another. The same can be said for almost everything we use in hunting or our daily lives.
I say, if you like using what you are using, and are doing so successfully, enjoy. Whether that's a .10 Eichelberger for Grizzlies or a 4 Bore for Cottontails, you do you. I'll continue to use what I use but I'll be here to thumbs up your success in the field.
Nobody is blindly following anyone or anything. They are observing factual information provided to them and making objective decisions.The only thing I am anti is blindly following someone/something when my personal experiences have differed.
But I guess dissenting opinions and experiences aren’t allowed here.
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Opinions carry less weight than data. Show your work like Form has. We will respect you for that no matter the result.The only thing I am anti is blindly following someone/something when my personal experiences have differed.
But I guess dissenting opinions and experiences aren’t allowed here.
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it's unreasonable to continue to question his experience.
I agree, blindly following a person is a recipe for ending up in a bad spot.The only thing I am anti is blindly following someone/something when my personal experiences have differed.
But I guess dissenting opinions and experiences aren’t allowed here.
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Mike, from your posts you have some different requirements, and while I love little calibers I would shoot my “big” 7mm in your situations.The only thing I am anti is blindly following someone/something when my personal experiences have differed.
But I guess dissenting opinions and experiences aren’t allowed here.
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Opinions carry less weight than data. Show your work like Form has. We will respect you for that no matter the result.