What cartridge for Alaska and western big game?

[atmat]

Deer runs and stops, runs and stops, no blood, no hair…. That sounds a lot like misses.

Even with misses, I’ve rarely seen deer stick around after a shot at close range (outside of feeder deer)

 

[Thegman]

Deer runs and stops, runs and stops, no blood, no hair…. That sounds a lot like misses.

Definitely not three through the heart, at any rate...

 

[Macchina]

Shot #1… deer runs and stops… shot #2… deer runs and stops… shot #3.

All in five seconds? Sounds like a tall tale.

I’ve killed a lot of deer. I’ve never had one shot at 50 yards that hangs around. Especially for two more shots.

You’re right, it never happened to you so it couldn’t have happened to me. Perfect science.

 

[atmat]

You’re right, it never happened to you so it couldn’t have happened to me. Perfect science.

Never said it couldn’t. Said it’s unlikely.

Here would be a fun exercise: film yourself shooting 3 shots on targets 5-10 yards apart at 50 yards in 5 seconds. See how well you do and share the video here.

 

[HandgunHTR]

Deer runs and stops, runs and stops, no blood, no hair…. That sounds a lot like misses.

Or gut shots. I see deer stop running pretty quickly when shot in the guts. They are still on their feet, but they are usually not running full-out.

 

[KHntr]

You’re right, it never happened to you so it couldn’t have happened to me. Perfect science.

Orrrrrrr, given the question of the deers reaction (or lack thereof), the lack of blood, the lack of hair, and the fact that you didn’t recover the animal, perhaps, maybe, just possibly, those shots didn’t go where you think they did?

Which scenario is more likely?

 

[KHntr]

Or gut shots. I see deer stop running pretty quickly when shot in the guts. They are still on their feet, but they are usually not running full-out.

Yeah, or that. They typically look pretty sickly though, no? I’ve only seen one or two hit in the tummy that I can recall, that didn’t fold up pretty much immediately.

 

[Thegman]

You’re right, it never happened to you so it couldn’t have happened to me. Perfect science.

Not saying it didn't happen, but it had zero to do with a 223 failing on what is implied to be a heart shot. Lots of possibilities, but that isn't one of them.

223 heart shot from this morning. Results on a deer would be the same.

 

[Macchina]

Orrrrrrr, given the question of the deers reaction (or lack thereof), the lack of blood, the lack of hair, and the fact that you didn’t recover the animal, perhaps, maybe, just possibly, those shots didn’t go where you think they did?

Which scenario is more likely?

I never mentioned the deer’s reaction. Definitely had signs of good hits on the first and second shots (hind leg kicks and vertical jump as far as I remember). It’s possible I missed all 3 shots, I’d never deny that as I didn’t recover the deer but I’ve hunted for decades, compete in shooting sports, and have a range at my cabin I shoot at weekly. You don’t know me or know if I’m honest but I shoot thousands of rounds a year and am far above an average shot. I’ll admit though I still get buck fever sometimes and have missed deer before so it’s possible, just not likely with 3 shots at 50 yards.

I personally blame the round. I was confident in those shots, but that deer got away and the chances of missing 3 times in that situation are VERY low.

 

[atmat]

I personally blame the round.

Lol anything but blame yourself, even with no evidence to the contrary.

the chances of missing 3 times in that situation are VERY low.

The chances of shooting 3 times on a moving target in under 5 seconds is actually low. Again: try the experiment and see how you do. Then add the buck fever you admit to having.

 

[BigNate]

So the 130gr Game Changer out of a Creedmoor doesn't expand on deer at fifty yards, but don't exit either? How did you get no sign to track?

 

[Macchina]

Lol anything but blame yourself, even with no evidence to the contrary.


The chances of shooting 3 times on a moving target in under 5 seconds is actually low. Again: try the experiment and see how you do. Then add the buck fever you admit to having.

I make hits harder than this a couple times a month at shoots with a handgun, actually about a shot per second into a smaller zone than a deer's vitals. I had a 22.2 second average time for my last USPSA match (20-30 rounds per match 1 to 50 yard shots) including a mag change and had the highest A-zone hits of everyone at that match, I didn't win it but I was very happy with my hit percentage. I participate in 2-gun and 3-gun matches as well. I can run a standard 11-hole barricade with my AR (granted it's a 9mm so we can shoot steels) in on a 50% silhouette at 30 yards in under 20 seconds, I do this a couple times a month, But you're right. You know everything about a hunt that you weren't there for. You're a jerk, it's not my opinion, you proved it as a fact. I'm not the first person to loose a deer with a 5.56...

I also mentioned I shot a deer even closer and found the mushroomed bullet but no hair or blood anywhere after searching for hours. You going to say I missed that one too?

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I make hits harder than this a couple times a month at shoots with a handgun, actually about a shot per second into a smaller zone than a deer's vitals. I had a 22.2 second average time for my last USPSA match (20-30 rounds per match 1 to 50 yard shots) including a mag change and had the highest A-zone hits of everyone at that match, I didn't win it but I was very happy with my hit percentage. I participate in 2-gun and 3-gun matches as well. I can run a standard 11-hole barricade with my AR (granted it's a 9mm so we can shoot steels) in on a 50% silhouette at 30 yards in under 20 seconds, I do this a couple times a month, But you're right. You know everything about a hunt that you weren't there for. You're a jerk, it's not my opinion, you proved it as a fact. I'm not the first person to loose a deer with a 5.56...

I also mentioned I shot a deer even closer and found the mushroomed bullet but no hair or blood anywhere after searching for hours. You going to say I missed that one too?

Nothing wins a debate like name calling.

 

[Macchina]

Nothing wins a debate like name calling.

Was it just now that you found out you're an A-Hole on the internet?
You can work on that. Start by not assuming you know everything about a situation you read a paragraph about and maybe respect your peers when they state something and don't assume stuff. This thread is about picking a caliber for Alaska and Western Big Game. I thought I had some valuable input (don't use a 5.56) and a real-life story as to why, I still think that is valid input...

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Was it just now that you found out you're an A-Hole on the internet?
You can work on that. Start by not assuming you know everything about a situation you read a paragraph about and maybe respect your peers when they state something and don't assume stuff. This thread is about picking a caliber for Alaska and Western Big Game. I thought I had some valuable input (don't use a 5.56) and a real-life story as to why, I still think that is valid input...

More name calling? Dude.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Start by not assuming you know everything about a situation you read a paragraph about and maybe respect your peers when they state something and don't assume stuff.

We only have what information you give us on the situation. It seems very unlikely that you shot a deer 3 times in the heart at 50 yards, it kept running/stopping, and then you didn't recover it.

I also mentioned I shot a deer even closer and found the mushroomed bullet but no hair or blood anywhere after searching for hours. You going to say I missed that one too?

I mean you seem to be the common denominator here with these close range "unlikely misses".

 

[LightFoot]

Was it just now that you found out you're an A-Hole on the internet?
You can work on that. Start by not assuming you know everything about a situation you read a paragraph about and maybe respect your peers when they state something and don't assume stuff. This thread is about picking a caliber for Alaska and Western Big Game. I thought I had some valuable input (don't use a 5.56) and a real-life story as to why, I still think that is valid input...

You’ve been here since 2015!?


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[thinhorn_AK]

Was it just now that you found out you're an A-Hole on the internet?
You can work on that. Start by not assuming you know everything about a situation you read a paragraph about and maybe respect your peers when they state something and don't assume stuff. This thread is about picking a caliber for Alaska and Western Big Game. I thought I had some valuable input (don't use a 5.56) and a real-life story as to why, I still think that is valid input...

What a brutal way to go down lol. Get called out for telling lies on rokslide, call people names then stop posting.

I’ve been laughing about it all morning.

 

[Macchina]

What a brutal way to go down lol. Get called out for telling lies on rokslide, call people names then stop posting.

I’ve been laughing about it all morning.

Didn’t get caught in a lie.
Did call names.
Didn’t stop posting.

I’m laughing about it too. Not too offended. Going to spend all next weekend looking for that 4-year (or so) old deer skeleton just to prove some guys on the Internet I’m right .

I feel embarrassed that I’m the first person on the Internet to have a shot a deer with a 5.56 and not recover it.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Didn’t get caught in a lie.
Did call names.
Didn’t stop posting.

I’m laughing about it too. Not too offended. Going to spend all next weekend looking for that 4-year (or so) old deer skeleton just to prove some guys on the Internet I’m right .

I feel embarrassed that I’m the first person on the Internet to have a shot a deer with a 5.56 and not recover it.

You called a guy a jerk, then called me an A-hole when people asked you to back up a story that is likely either untrue or not being remembered correctly.

you just told a lie when yo said you didn't call names too so we at least know you tell lies on the internet.