What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Jason__G]

Jason, I tend to agree with you but I like to turn on my BS detector and dive right in. I mainly do it for entertainment but occasionally I find something that makes sense to me. Out of curiosity, where do you suggest a person should get unbiased, non-political, information that they can trust?

That's the issue. There is no simple answer. What we all need to do is learn how to learn. We have to ask questions, think critically, and expect claims to be backed up with data, sources, and references. If you hear some 'fact' online and a quick search doesn't find reputable sources corroborating the 'fact', maybe you shouldn't trust it.
This is an interesting read about online misinformation and how to spot and research it.

 

[jmez]

Stay home and die? Hmmm.
Maybe you should just do you, and let others decide for themselves.

66% of N.Y. coronavirus hospitalizations are people who stayed home

About two-thirds of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in New York became infected even though they said they'd been observing lockdown restrictions. Dr. Jon Baugh joined CBSN to talk about the state's startling new statistic.

www.cbsnews.com

Good thing we're shut down and doing all this social distancing then. If we weren't it would be like 176%.

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[Ndbowhunter]

Let the professionals decide when we open things up.

till then stay home, get an order of sweet and powered chicken. It’s a peach of cake.

But if we open up and everyone thinks this pandemic is water under the fridge.. the masses will be spreading this disease like wildfire. The flames will be golfing.

make my words, it’ll be worse case Ontario.

I swear it on my mothers mating name.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

You guys are all acting like this $h!t is rocket appliances.

stay home, save lives during this global pandemic

 

[Ndbowhunter]

This is a just a big test... survival of the fitness

 

[Ndbowhunter]

You guys claiming 500,000 deaths

I don’t wanna day I toadaso

but frickin toadaso
I’m not being a pessimist, I’m an optometrist.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

Look at the bright side,

smogs going away, and everyone gets their grade 10 this year

two birds stoned at once

 

[Ndbowhunter]

 

[Ndbowhunter]

 

[MuleyFever]

Put the bottle down. Go to sleep.

 

[SlickStickSlinger]

I will have to disagree. Youtube(and in some ways the internet as a whole) is a place where experts and idiots both have equal footing. They succeed not based on accuracy of content, but rather based on entertainment value of presentation. A very well-edited, persuasive, video posted by someone with no actual knowledge of the source material will go viral faster than a boring, dry, video containing vetted facts by a professional with a lifetime in the field. There are some that can do both, but how are you to know which is which? Just because I can sell you an opinion, doesn't make my opinion fact. Youtube is where you go for entertainment, not where you go for facts.

Woah woah woah. That is DEFINITELY NOT what I intended to post.

YouTube is by far one of the WORST sources of information.

I dont even know where that best came from!

I agree with you Jason!

 

[Jason__G]

Woah woah woah. That is DEFINITELY NOT what I intended to post.

YouTube is by far one of the WORST sources of information.

I dont even know where that best came from!

And the internet sarcasm detector strikes again.... Sorry if I got you riled. Not my intent. Just to clarify YouTube as a fact source. I read your post a couple of times looking for sarcasm, but wasn’t getting it. No worries. Hopefully, we are all good and can continue to Strive mightily, but eat and drink as friends.

 

[durangobrad]

Estimating Excess Deaths in the United States early in the COVID-19 Pandemic

Importance Deaths are frequently under-estimated during emergencies, such as hurricanes and pandemics. Accurate mortality data may improve public compliance with non-pharmaceutical interventions. Objective This study estimates excess all-cause, pneumonia, and influenza mortality between March...

www.medrxiv.org

NOT PEERVREVIEWED YET. But more reliable than your brother's Facebook friend who says deaths are being under reported because all doctor, coroners, medical professionals, etc are liberals trying to instill fear.


Excess mortality is the difference between actual and expected all-cause, pneumonia, and influenza mortality. Deaths not explained by COVID-19 are the difference between the 95% credibility interval (CI) for excess mortality, and the number of reported COVID-19 deaths. The hypotheses were formed prior to data collection.

Results:

With the semiparametric method, we estimated 257-1024 more deaths in Illinois than COVID-19 case numbers (excess mortality 95% CI (939, 1706) vs. 682 COVID-19 deaths); 218-741 more deaths in Massachusetts (95% CI (904, 1427) vs. 686 COVID-19 deaths); 313-1100 more deaths in Michigan (95% CI (1704, 2491), vs. 1391 COVID-19 deaths); 2348-3661 more deaths in New Jersey (95% CI (4528, 5844), vs. 2183 COVID-19 deaths); and 5875-9738 more deaths in New York State (168-213% more) (95% CI (14502, 18365) vs. 8627 COVID-19 deaths).

Conclusions:
Official COVID-19 mortality figures substantially understate actual mortality and also suggest substantially greater case fatality rates. Improving mortality data dissemination may improve public adherence to non-pharmaceutical interventions and reduce mortality in future pandemics.





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[2blade]

theres nothing to fear guys

 

[manitou1]

ND, I believe the The over whelming in the medical field don’t disagree with getting on with life. However, you seem to be basing your opinion of over whelming on what’s being fed to you by only one side. Spend some time watching something besides Fauci and you’ll see a different story.

Yes, it’s serious. Death always is. Yes, it’s killed a lot of people. By and large most of those people were on the way out too. Not my story. Just the CDC facts of it. Yes, a very small percentage of those dying are young BELIEVED to be other wise healthy. Once again, that’s fact by the numbers. Not what anyone thinks.

I’m curious what you guys think needs to be done. We reported over 20 million unemployed last month. The UN says so far they expect over 1 BILLION people to be starving in the world by next fall. What do you suggest?

that’s a serious question. Not a gotcha point. What do you think is acceptable?

Nearly a billion people starve to death every year or are on the verge of starvation... 821 million, give or take. Seems "facts" are used by whomever wants to prove their agenda.
Studies now say that a huge number of our nations infections came from people traveling out of New York. Would an earlier lock down have prevented it? NOBODY KNOWS. Stands to reason we would have to limit exposure and reduce socializing in order to prevent overwhelming the health care system. Little clinics and hospitals in small town USA don't stand a chance if they get to a fraction of the infection rate of N.Y. Not enough Drs, nurses and funeral homes to keep up with the "supply".

 

[Mosster47]

Estimating Excess Deaths in the United States early in the COVID-19 Pandemic

Importance Deaths are frequently under-estimated during emergencies, such as hurricanes and pandemics. Accurate mortality data may improve public compliance with non-pharmaceutical interventions. Objective This study estimates excess all-cause, pneumonia, and influenza mortality between March...

www.medrxiv.org

NOT PEERVREVIEWED YET. But more reliable than your brother's Facebook friend who says deaths are being under reported because all doctor, coroners, medical professionals, etc are liberals trying to instill fear.


Excess mortality is the difference between actual and expected all-cause, pneumonia, and influenza mortality. Deaths not explained by COVID-19 are the difference between the 95% credibility interval (CI) for excess mortality, and the number of reported COVID-19 deaths. The hypotheses were formed prior to data collection.

Results:

With the semiparametric method, we estimated 257-1024 more deaths in Illinois than COVID-19 case numbers (excess mortality 95% CI (939, 1706) vs. 682 COVID-19 deaths); 218-741 more deaths in Massachusetts (95% CI (904, 1427) vs. 686 COVID-19 deaths); 313-1100 more deaths in Michigan (95% CI (1704, 2491), vs. 1391 COVID-19 deaths); 2348-3661 more deaths in New Jersey (95% CI (4528, 5844), vs. 2183 COVID-19 deaths); and 5875-9738 more deaths in New York State (168-213% more) (95% CI (14502, 18365) vs. 8627 COVID-19 deaths).

Conclusions:
Official COVID-19 mortality figures substantially understate actual mortality and also suggest substantially greater case fatality rates. Improving mortality data dissemination may improve public adherence to non-pharmaceutical interventions and reduce mortality in future pandemics.





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That's what I have addressed numerous times in this thread. The real time info is pure garbage and that's to be expected when you're trying to hone in on something unexpected with no prior knowledge and very little current knowledge.

The total death number the previous five years across the board in all of these effected areas has no deviation from the mean. Your areas that injest carbohydrates and sugar like oxygen and those areas that don't have been that way for much longer than half a decade so the death totals are consistent. There is no explanation to the substantial increase in deaths above average other than COVID and collateral damage tied to it and the shutdowns.

In the US nothing will kill more people than over eating and inactivity. That demographic being stuck inside for a few months with nothing to do but eat more and move less could definitely speed up their already accelerated timeline.

They won't ever have the exact numbers, just like don't for the flu. It's all ballpark, but it's an absolute certainty that COVID isn't a hoax, it's not the flu, and taking historical measures was warranted. If they just let this thing go that 45-60% death increase would have hit everywhere. It still potentially could as the world has to try to get productive at some point, but at least the experts bought themselves a few months.

 

[Mike7]

theres nothing to fear guys

This news story snippet seems a little misleading. The order only prohibits prophylactic use of the medications I believe, and not the use for treatment. I would suspect based upon medication side effect experience, that the prophylactic use of azithromycin in low risk areas (most of the country) would be a negative benefit vs. risk ratio.

This report also says nothing about Arizona's supply of medication with respect to whether or not there is enough to give to people for prophylaxis in addition to COVID treatment and autoimmune disease treatment. And who should get prophylactic treatment?

Also, this story says nothing about the number of people who recover without hydroxychloroquine?...or what the age or comorbidity breakdown is on those in these obervational studies that don't have controls?

Trump is 100% correct that there are some hopeful treatments, but there is a lot more left to learn.

 

[jmez]

"If they just let this thing go that 45-60% death increase would have hit everywhere."

No basis in facts for that statement.

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[Mosster47]

"If they just let this thing go that 45-60% death increase would have hit everywhere."

No basis in facts for that statement.

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We know the virus has a high contagion rate, that's not up for debate anymore. Like the flu, it will eventually spread everywhere. The rate at which it spreads can be slowed, but if everyone goes back to school, work, parties, sporting events, concerts, etc. it will spread fairly quickly like every other virus. Every town has the flu, every town will eventually have this virus.

10% of the US population has diabetes, 40% of the US population is obese, and over 70 million Americans are over the age of 60.

From what we know now it's going to take a heavy toll. It can be spread out over time or all at once. All at once leads to the overwhelming of the healthcare system so even more people die than necessary.

Old, overweight people in Fargo aren't going to be tougher than than those in NYC or anywhere else. We know the target market for deaths now as they are consistent across the globe. The US has A LOT of that market.

 

[Billinsd]

Post 4,000 !!!!