What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Spike elk]

While I am ranting-some interesting facts on Texas cases, you know where conservatives are trying to kill everyone because they opened up in May and it is the end of June. Of the 5,913 cases that are hospitalized in Texas today, 4,363 are combined from Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and Houston, all liberal cities. But trust the media when it says it is all on the businesses who opened up 6-8 weeks ago and has nothing to do with the protests that are just a couple of weeks old. (60,000 protesting in Houston alone) Oh and the trending numbers in younger people infected have everything to do with greedy bar and restaurant owners, and nothing to do with BLM protests. On a side note, Houston was also the location where George Floyd was put to rest with people attending from all over the country.

Also the irony in the death, destruction, and dismay in the media about Florida and Texas while Cuomo , NY and Cali all get a pass. Not even a pass, but praise. The total deaths in NY alone from Covid are 31,397. Texas has 2,415 while Florida has 3,419. I know that new cases are blowing up in Texas and Florida but you don't hear anything in the media about CA where the numbers are identical to Texas and Florida. Why not? Doesn't fit in with the hysteria of red states trying to kill you by opening up businesses and red states being so safe by taking away your rights as well as your job. And of course the protest with no social distancing had nothing to do with the bump in cases. Now that protest season is over for the time being, Covid season has re-opened up in red states only.

 

[Spike elk]

Where was the honorable Judge Eddie Trevino Jr's covid concern during the protests? Sixty thousand people can protest, riot, and loot your business with no concerns about laws or social distancing but now it is time to shut down your business again for the greater good. What a bunch of crap! This flipping and flopping by experts and politicians tell me all I need to know about Covid and are why I will never chose to live in any communistic city or state in America. In a couple of weeks or a month the dust will settle in these places and we will move onto the next outrage.

I am going to shut up now. Rant over.

 

[ODB]

Unbury your head from the sand and you will "hear" that ICU's in Houston are at 100% capacity. Every single state that re-opened early (AKA the all red ones in the south and southeast plus AZ) is having massive surges.

Careful about quoting that. Most ICUs run are near capacity anyway. When you combine people who started coming back to hospitals with a spike, it’s very easy to hit 100%.

There are too many variables to get a handle on it. Most cases among the young are very mild as compared to April. My nephews girlfriend just got it. Zero symptoms. Never a sneeze or a cough. So far, so good.

Hospitals are testing everyone who is admitted whether or not CV symptoms brought them in. If +, that’s added to the rolls. In Arizona they count + antibody tests among new cases.

It’s all a mess and anyone who says they fully understand it is fully full of shit.

 

[ramsdude47]

It’s all a mess and anyone who says they fully understand it is fully full of shit.

Bingo

I would add that we learned very early into this pandemic that ICU's (and really hospitals in general) unequivocally do not have any reason - other than profiteering - to be operating at such high capacity. I work in a hospital FWIW. The ICU at my large L2 trauma center has been <50% capacity for almost this entire stretch since late March, and before COVID it was almost always full. Take a wild guess what the going nightly rate for an ICU room vs a regular room looks like?

 

[ODB]

Bingo

I would add that we learned very early into this pandemic that ICU's (and really hospitals in general) unequivocally do not have any reason - other than profiteering - to be operating at such high capacity. I work in a hospital FWIW. The ICU at my large L2 trauma center has been <50% capacity for almost this entire stretch since late March, and before COVID it was almost always full. Take a wild guess what the going nightly rate for an ICU room vs a regular room looks like?

Oh I get it. Been around the medical field a long time. Now, add bigger reimbursements for CV cases and...well.... you can guess the rest.

And trust me, I’m no CV denier...but have seen some ridiculous shit in my days.

 

[MattB]

I thought hospitalization rates were dropping per case's? Spikes in cases is no surprise. Due to several variables. None more contributing then increased testing. You left that out. But, I'm sure it wasn't on purpose.

How does increased testing fill ICU's exactly?

 

[MattB]

On the topic of masks- just another example from experts who have been inconsistent and waffle with the politics. From his interview on 60 minutes in March Dr. Fauci said "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask,"

He went on to say, "While masks may block some droplets, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands."

Was Fauci's head in the sand when he made those comments? I would say what he said jives with some of what I have seen at stores where employees adjust the mask they have been breathing in all day with their bare hand and then go back to checking out my groceries or stocking shelves. Watch for it and you will see it yourself.

Those comments were in March, fast forward to today and now the same governments who cannot keep your business from being looted, or you safe from "peaceful" protesters, is going to ensure that everyone is wearing a mask. That is a chuckle. Maybe they will wait a bit to defund the police then? To be clear I am not advocating for NOT wearing a mask. I do tend to agree with Fauci's earlier comments and generally do not wear one. If a woman can abort a baby because it is her body and her choice then dadgummit, everyone else should have that same freedom with their body and a mask. I am completely "pro choice" when it comes to wearing a mask.

2 things - do you think they had the same level of information in March that they have today?

And second, around which I am conflicted, but it sounds like in March the gov't was spreading mis-information around the effectiveness of masks to keep the public from hoarding to ensure that medical personnel had adequate supplies. I get why that was done, but I don't like it.

But to the point, using Fauci's Match misdirection as the basis for your current basis for mask wearing is IMO is beyond stupid.

 

[jmez]

Unbury your head from the sand and you will "hear" that ICU's in Houston are at 100% capacity. Every single state that re-opened early (AKA the all red ones in the south and southeast plus AZ) is having massive surges.

South Dakota never closed. We aren't having a surge.

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[blueyceman]

This virus itself isn't political. Fortunately and unfortunately though politicians do make important decisions that affect the health and wellbeing of members of their respective states. We all live in America, so if your state is doing good now, keep your fingers crossed because it'll probably have its turn. Pandemics don't discriminate, and they've been shown to hit rural & urban areas just as hard. There are a lot of dynamics in play, but with what we are seeing in mid-summer it'd be good to keep feeding your inner prepper. Wear a mask at the grocery store, and don't go to the bars. What scientists say about the virus today will be slightly different than what they said yesterday, they're learning too. Be kind to others, and you'll be better off with an enduring psyche. This is the Leadville 100, not the 100 yd dash.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

How does increased testing fill ICU's exactly?

It’s my understanding in large populace’s, ICU’s routinely run at or near full capacity. If you have something that contradicts that, please share. If not, stop with the stupid scare tactics of running out of beds. Stats say Hospitalization rates are decreasing per infection rate.

Where I live you better been on deaths door to get a test. Now you just request one. It isn’t hard to see Why the “spike” hapoen. Liberal America started reporting it the second day after states started getting on with life. It’s beyond stupid to not take all things into perspective

 

[FLS]

I live in a hotspot in a red state that opened back up for business and my wife is an ICU nurse. Testing capacity has exponentially increased thus so has positive results ICUs are not full. The death rate among infected has not increased.
Here’s a couple of facts to ponder.
A 67 year old male acquaintance died of complications from hip replacement surgery, blood clot, but since he tested positive for C19 that is how his death was listed by SCDHEC.
The surge in local cases is being traced to tourists coming from NY, NJ and MD. We have a ton of folks that have second homes here and their leaving the metro areas like rats off a sinking ship and bringing the virus with them.
My personal feeling is this thing must run its course and the faster the better.

 

[RyanT26]

The liberal Mecca is starting to get a little bit of attention

‘Our Luck May Have Run Out’: California’s Case Count Explodes (Published 2020)

Los Angeles County, which has been averaging more than 2,000 new cases each day, surpassed 100,000 total cases on Monday.

www.nytimes.com

 

[sasquatch]

when this is all said and done the working man tax payer and future generations will have a lot more burden to carry on their shoulders, for mostly an overreaction and government overreach for political gain and profit. What ever happened to "id rather die on my feet then live on my knees"?

 

[FLS]

The rugged individual is a social pariah now. Damn shame.

 

[MattB]

It’s my understanding in large populace’s, ICU’s routinely run at or near full capacity. If you have something that contradicts that, please share. If not, stop with the stupid scare tactics of running out of beds. Stats say Hospitalization rates are decreasing per infection rate.

Where I live you better been on deaths door to get a test. Now you just request one. It isn’t hard to see Why the “spike” hapoen. Liberal America started reporting it the second day after states started getting on with life. It’s beyond stupid to not take all things into perspective

I don't begin to have a sense of that nationwide, but that certain is not the case where I live. Our COVID dashboard doesnt give detail on bed availability (just utilization). But we have never been anywhere close to capacity even with COVID. This from April 2:

"During a Thursday morning news conference, officials said the county — which has been one of the hardest hit in California and currently has about 200 hospitalized patients — still has around 936 available acute hospital beds and 92 available intensive care unit beds. The county also has 392 ventilators available."

We currently have 78 COVID hospitalized patients, but that is up very significantly from 38 just days ago.

But back to my point that the increase in testing is not is what is causing the ramp up in hospitalizations.

And to your comment, where exactly did I employ a "scare tactic" via a comment about running out of hospital beds? You won't be able to produce it because I didn't. But keep on with putting words in other people's mouths and then chiding them for things they didn't say and don't believe.
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On another COVID note my AZ realtor told me this AM they are going backwards in the re-opening stage because of rising case counts there. Haven't looked up details, but that is discouraging. Those rugged individuals are f'ing up the economy.

 

[NDGuy]

I do tend to agree with Fauci's earlier comments and generally do not wear one. If a woman can abort a baby because it is her body and her choice then dadgummit, everyone else should have that same freedom with their body and a mask. I am completely "pro choice" when it comes to wearing a mask.

I don't agree with abortion, but I also know if a woman aborts a baby she doesn't cause my family to potentially die as well. This is as silly as the "cancer kills xxx people per year why don't we care" argument. Cancer doesn't infect someone's entire family.

I guess people's freedom is more important than killing other people unintentionally which is completely controllable by being mildly inconvenienced to wear a piece of fabric over your damn face. At minimum why can't people do this? Look at other countries that are beating this or damn near over it already. All are wearing masks....

 

[Spike elk]

2 things - do you think they had the same level of information in March that they have today?

And second, around which I am conflicted, but it sounds like in March the gov't was spreading mis-information around the effectiveness of masks to keep the public from hoarding to ensure that medical personnel had adequate supplies. I get why that was done, but I don't like it.

But to the point, using Fauci's Match misdirection as the basis for your current basis for mask wearing is IMO is beyond stupid.

It is beyond stupid to live in fear of something that we now know is just the flu on steroids. Take the CDC's infected number of 23 mil and divide that by the current deaths which are 128,647 and are sure to be inflated. The overall death rate for C-19 then is .0055. Fauci's flip flop on masks is not the reason that I generally do not wear a mask. It is just an example of the many flip flops that as you pointed was intentionally misleading. You are correct in that we have learned a lot since March. The one thing that puzzles me is that we now know that the mortality rate for C-19 is in the zip-code of the flu for most of our population. We really have known this for a while ever since antibody tests were given in large numbers. The CDC confirmed it last week with their announcement. Instead, the leading C19 news for the last week has been how red states are trying to kill you because of a spike in cases. Spikes in cases are not good news but they are not necessarily bad news either. As infected case go up and the relationship of deaths go down the mortality rate drops lower. Healthy and young people have almost nothing to fear. In fact the flu has killed more people ages 0-24 than Covid during the same time period. C19-137 Flu-149 (From the CDC) I am not worried about getting C-19 any more than I am concerned about getting the flu or a cold. That is the reason I generally do not wear a mask. I would not base any of my life decisions on anything that Fauci would have to say. In my completely non medical opinion, the people who should wear a mask are those who are 1. Elderly and or have pre-existing conditions to prevent themselves from getting sick. 2. Have anxiety over all of this. 3. Believe everything that the liberal media tells you and that Biden, AOC, and the BLM movement is the solution for all of this. If you are in the first two categories then I am cheering for you. If you are in the last category then I am cheering that you will get your head out of the sand by Nov.

I have no problems with you or anyone else thinking that I am an idiot because of my views. I disagree with you and feel like the facts point in a complete opposite direction. If you killed an elk this year in my neck of the woods I would be happy to help you pack it out. There is no reason that people cannot agree to disagree.

 

[RyanT26]

I guess people's freedom is more important than killing other people unintentionally which is completely controllable by being mildly inconvenienced to wear a piece of fabric over your damn face. At minimum why can't people do this? Look at other countries that are beating this or damn near over it already. All are wearing masks....

First off you’re reaching that by not wearing a mask is going to cause someone else to die.
Next you sound like you’re pretty pro mask. That’s great. Wear one if you believe in it and if you think it’ll protect you.
Just quit trying to dictate why other people should wear them. It is called freedom. It’s a great thing everyone should embrace it.

 

[Spike elk]

I don't agree with abortion, but I also know if a woman aborts a baby she doesn't cause my family to potentially die as well. This is as silly as the "cancer kills xxx people per year why don't we care" argument. Cancer doesn't infect someone's entire family.

I guess people's freedom is more important than killing other people unintentionally which is completely controllable by being mildly inconvenienced to wear a piece of fabric over your damn face. At minimum why can't people do this? Look at other countries that are beating this or damn near over it already. All are wearing masks....

Freedom does have a price doesn't it. With the 4th of July coming up it is time to be thankful for over a million soldiers of all races, creeds, and religions who have died fighting for Old Glory. If we give up our freedoms that they paid for with blood we do them a tremendous disservice.

If you are worried about C-19 and the extremely remote chance that a family member would contract Covid and then face the 99.95% chance of surviving then please make sure that they wear a mask. Then it will not matter if I do or do not. That is your freedom and that is my freedom.

 

[durangobrad]

The last two post both highlight "freedumb" and show neither of those guys understand what the mask do. They aren't about protecting you from getting it. It's about protecting others from getting it from you, on the chance that your an assymptomatic spreader.

When did being a patriot go from being willing to make a sacrifice to help the greater good, to being so selfish you can't wear a mask to do your grocery shopping?

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