What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[ewade07]

I'm proactively using Tito's to kill anything in my system.

I heard Everclear and Nikoli do a great job too.

 

[Dos Perros]

Bad news: There are at least 5 mutations of the virus in US.

Good news: There are only 5 known mutations of the virus in the US. The virus appears relatively stable.

 

[Jskaanland]

Bad news: There are at least 5 mutations of the virus in US.

Good news: There are only 5 known mutations of the virus in the US. The virus appears relatively stable.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[MtnOyster]

Bad news: There are at least 5 mutations of the virus in US.

Good news: There are only 5 known mutations of the virus in the US. The virus appears relatively stable.

I read the 5 different mutations this morning but didn’t read all of it, may explain why some have it worse than others besides Health conditions.

 

[Dos Perros]

Do you have a source for this?

Italian Researchers Identify New SARS-CoV-2 Gene Variants That Provide Clues to Coronavirus's Epidemiology

/PRNewswire/ -- Two teams of infectious disease researchers in Italy say they have further analyzed the SARS-CoV-2 genome from samples acquired locally to...

www.prnewswire.com

"Scientists say early data, generated with new NGS research panel from Thermo Fisher Scientific, suggest coronavirus is genetically stable, and could increase the effectiveness of vaccines in development."

 

[THBZN]

We don’t yet know if the plans and preparation in place aren’t sufficient. No one has run out of beds yet. No one has run out of respirators yet. It’s all speculation at this point.

I am confused....what do you mean no one has "run out of" beds, respirators, etc.? Why is NYC pleading for 30,000 respirators, received 2,000 with 2,000 more on the way.....what about the 26,000 delta?
What about mask and other PPE equipment shortages by hospital staff in both large metro and small rural areas? I live in MT and in the county with the most cases to date. Our hospital has sent out communication about what to do if you think you have symptoms, etc. due to being very lean on PPE, ventilators, etc. A phone call to our doctor's office was the same advice.

So, maybe I didn't read enough of the prior posts (lots of them....) but to claim there is no shortage across multiple states and facilities is not accurate.

 

[Dos Perros]

I am confused....what do you mean no one has "run out of" beds, respirators, etc.? Why is NYC pleading for 30,000 respirators, received 2,000 with 2,000 more on the way.....what about the 26,000 delta?
What about mask and other PPE equipment shortages by hospital staff in both large metro and small rural areas? I live in MT and in the county with the most cases to date. Our hospital has sent out communication about what to do if you think you have symptoms, etc. due to being very lean on PPE, ventilators, etc. A phone call to our doctor's office was the same advice.

So, maybe I didn't read enough of the prior posts (lots of them....) but to claim there is no shortage across multiple states and facilities is not accurate.

At least in New York, those are projected shortages. Not actual shortages.

I get what you're saying on PPE. I just can't make the jump that it's the federal government's responsibility to make sure some county hospital has enough latex gloves.

 

[S.Clancy]

I am confused....what do you mean no one has "run out of" beds, respirators, etc.? Why is NYC pleading for 30,000 respirators, received 2,000 with 2,000 more on the way.....what about the 26,000 delta?
What about mask and other PPE equipment shortages by hospital staff in both large metro and small rural areas? I live in MT and in the county with the most cases to date. Our hospital has sent out communication about what to do if you think you have symptoms, etc. due to being very lean on PPE, ventilators, etc. A phone call to our doctor's office was the same advice.

So, maybe I didn't read enough of the prior posts (lots of them....) but to claim there is no shortage across multiple states and facilities is not accurate.

So you live in Bozeman...

 

[ODB]

Bad news: There are at least 5 mutations of the virus in US.

Good news: There are only 5 known mutations of the virus in the US. The virus appears relatively stable.

Fred Hutch in Seattle has been mapping the mutations from the start. Generally viruses mutate to their detriment. Hopefully that’s the case here.

 

[CorbLand]

It does crack me up how people are complaining that we dont have enough PPE, dont understand how we could be in that situation and blame the Government. Health care in the US is private for profit. Meaning its the medical centers responsibility to have and provide these, not the Governments. Hopefully they can ramp up production and produce that stuff at record speeds and quantities.

 

[WCB]

I am confused....what do you mean no one has "run out of" beds, respirators, etc.? Why is NYC pleading for 30,000 respirators, received 2,000 with 2,000 more on the way.....what about the 26,000 delta?
What about mask and other PPE equipment shortages by hospital staff in both large metro and small rural areas? I live in MT and in the county with the most cases to date. Our hospital has sent out communication about what to do if you think you have symptoms, etc. due to being very lean on PPE, ventilators, etc. A phone call to our doctor's office was the same advice.

So, maybe I didn't read enough of the prior posts (lots of them....) but to claim there is no shortage across multiple states and facilities is not accurate.

As stated no one has actually run out yet....maybe they will or won't. NY is again projecting what they will need. There were 20,000 in reserve so no matter what NY wasn't getting 30,000 right now. Also, why should we just send 100% of the reserve to NY? Is someone in MT less deserving of one?

I'm not a mathematician but 30,000 respirators? hospitalization rate is about 12%. Just to get to 30,000 hospitalized would be 240,000 cases...and approximately 3% are ICU. I am just assuming not every hospitalization needs a respirator. Now I'm definitely a plan for the worst type person but I think holding respirators in reserve and sending them out as needed is a better plan then send everything to one place and screw the rest. Just like NY buying every mask they could get a hold of for inflated prices....I would guess they have more money for that purchase than all of MT.

Aslo, appears like NYs hospitalization is doubling in twice the time it was before so hopefully that trend continues and it eases stress on the medical system.

Most people making major decisions right now are in a damned if they do damned if they don't situation. Send everything to NY and some dies in MT because of lack of respirator Feds lose. Hold them back and send as needed and everyone will bash because NY says they need 30,000.

 

[Dos Perros]

It does crack me up how people are complaining that we dont have enough PPE, dont understand how we could be in that situation and blame the Government. Health care in the US is private for profit. Meaning its the medical centers responsibility to have and provide these, not the Governments. Hopefully they can ramp up production and produce that stuff at record speeds and quantities.

The projected disappointment with our capitalist system, and I don't think it has been realized yet on a large scale, is private industry's perceived lack of ability to ramp production to meet demand.

There is certainly some false demand from speculators and resellers, but the feds have taken action to prevent that. The merchandise still exists, it just needs to find buyers.

I could see someone making the argument that private industry will only create enough capacity for like 100 to 110% of demand. Making that extra capacity isn't economical. And above that is where the feds' responsibility starts (or state's).

 

[KurtR]

It does crack me up how people are complaining that we dont have enough PPE, dont understand how we could be in that situation and blame the Government. Health care in the US is private for profit. Meaning its the medical centers responsibility to have and provide these, not the Governments. Hopefully they can ramp up production and produce that stuff at record speeds and quantities.

I know 3m in aberdeen sd is going 24-7 to make more n95 masks. They have signs up if you need a job and want all the overtime in the world they are looking.

 

[CorbLand]

I know 3m in aberdeen sd is going 24-7 to make more n95 masks. They have signs up if you need a job and want all the overtime in the world they are looking.

We have a couple large food plants here. They have ramped up production as well. A couple kids I know are working 12-16 hours a day 6 days a week. I have actually thought about doing a leave of absence and going to work for them. They are paying more than I currently make with unlimited overtime.

 

[Jskaanland]

Italian Researchers Identify New SARS-CoV-2 Gene Variants That Provide Clues to Coronavirus's Epidemiology

/PRNewswire/ -- Two teams of infectious disease researchers in Italy say they have further analyzed the SARS-CoV-2 genome from samples acquired locally to...

www.prnewswire.com

"Scientists say early data, generated with new NGS research panel from Thermo Fisher Scientific, suggest coronavirus is genetically stable, and could increase the effectiveness of vaccines in development."

Thanks.

Something to note, this was all done in Italy with local samples, not the US. With all the global travel, the US could easily have all these strains. I'm to avoid people misconstruing your post, which clearly points out the "good news: its stable" part.

"Two teams of infectious disease researchers in Italy say they have further analyzed the SARS-CoV-2 genome from samples acquired locally"

 

[WCB]

The projected disappointment with our capitalist system, and I don't think it has been realized yet on a large scale, is private industry's perceived lack of ability to ramp production to meet demand.

There is certainly some false demand from speculators and resellers, but the feds have taken action to prevent that. The merchandise still exists, it just needs to find buyers.

I could see someone making the argument that private industry will only create enough capacity for like 100 to 110% of demand. Making that extra capacity isn't economical. And above that is where the feds' responsibility starts (or state's).

i agree with your and CorbLand's sentiments. IMO the perceived lack of ability to ramp up is mostly caused by people's "I want it now" mentality. And when a state says we think we will need x numbers of masks people think it is immediate. It takes time to hire and train people and then there is equipment constraints. Unfortunately people think you just turn the dial and poof you double production.

Then they blame it on the Government. Amazing how places like NY don't want the Feds telling them what to do...then this happens and they want the Feds to get involved in everything.

 

[Dos Perros]

Thanks.

Something to note, this was all done in Italy with local samples, not the US. With all the global travel, the US could easily have all these strains. I'm to avoid people misconstruing your post, which clearly points out the "good news: its stable" part.

"Two teams of infectious disease researchers in Italy say they have further analyzed the SARS-CoV-2 genome from samples acquired locally"

Really, the point of my post was that the same data point can be spun in two different ways, and I've seen that here.

Some might think "holy shit there are already 5 mutations!" this is bad news!!!!!!

And an educated researcher might say "we have only seen 5 mutations, and with this sample size and number of jumps from person to person over all this time, I'd expect to see dozens, so this indicates the virus is genetically stable." That is precisely the case here.

 

[Dos Perros]

I'll tell you though, I think the next story on the masks or respirators or whatever is..."we're running out of raw materials." This stuff almost certainly comes from China.

 

[Jskaanland]

Really, the point of my post was that the same data point can be spun in two different ways, and I've seen that here.

Some might think "holy shit there are already 5 mutations!" this is bad news!!!!!!

And an educated researcher might say "we have only seen 5 mutations, and with this sample size and number of jumps from person to person over all this time, I'd expect to see dozens, so this indicates the virus is genetically stable." That is precisely the case here.

 

[Dos Perros]

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