Weatherby Model 307 (“New” Action for Weatherby)

[amassi]

I readily admit when I'm wrong but I don't think that was his point. His argument was to suggest that other manufacturers have the same features as Savage, suggesting they were nothing special. What he failed to recognize was that all those other manufacturers were copying Savage. Besides, having to chase down people's simple, meaningless mistakes is a sign of not being real confident in your position.

I readily admit when I'm wrong but I don't think that was his point. His argument was to suggest that other manufacturers have the same features as Savage, suggesting they were nothing special. What he failed to recognize was that all those other manufacturers were copying Savage. Besides, having to chase down people's simple, meaningless mistakes is a sign of not being real confident in your position.

Savage didn’t invent any of those features. They were forced to use them as they couldn’t produce a functional rifle at their price point without them. Even using other people’s inventions savage barely produces functional firearms.

Browning (John M) invented the barrel nut
Sako invented a trigger shoe inside a trigger housing
Mauser the 3 position safety
Flush rotary magazines were also a Swiss invention


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[ndlawrence]

Did I say accustock or accufit? Because I meant accufit. The aluminum bedding in the accustock is not something I've ever used. I don't need it. Every Savage I've owned has shot sub-MOA (easily) with nothing but the cheap tupperware plastic stock, and no bedding. Some days I imagine how good they would be in a proper, bedded stock.

You seem hung up on the "cheap" factor, and I get it. Most guys can't see past that.

But a rifle has one job. To deliver a bullet in the right place. And the "cheap" rifles you mentioned above all do that very well despite their inexpensive price mostly BECAUSE they copied Savage features. If that doesn't say something to you, I am not sure what will.

For those who can't see past the price tag, I feel sorry for them. Too bad. Their loss.

Fortunately for you and many others, there are much more expensive rifles that will give you the feeling of confidence while accomplishing the exact same job.

I think using the word cheap in this context is a poor choice of my part. I would say low quality is what I mean.

I agree mostly with your definition of the purpose of a rifle. I would modify it to say “to deliver a bullet in the right place, every time it is asked to do so”. It is the last part that I think most people miss.

Everyone has a different definition of “cheap” but I consider the Tikka’s cheap at around 6-700. They have a much better action, shorter bolt throw, better ergonomics, lighter, quieter, much much better trigger, more reliable.

I have had and currently have Savages. I think a good argument can be made for buying a $300 Savage vs. a $800 one. I do not consider them on par with the competition once you get into the $600 range.

 

[ndlawrence]

I find the proof for the Savage hate silly, but it makes it into every rifle or action thread, oh well.

It will be interesting to see how this new 307 works out. Looking at their site, they are going broad spectrum in the calibers.

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Weatherby moving into offering non Weatherby chamberings, especially in LH models over the last few years has been a great move on their part.

 

[Newtosavage]

I think using the word cheap in this context is a poor choice of my part. I would say low quality is what I mean.

I agree mostly with your definition of the purpose of a rifle. I would modify it to say “to deliver a bullet in the right place, every time it is asked to do so”. It is the last part that I think most people miss.

Everyone has a different definition of “cheap” but I consider the Tikka’s cheap at around 6-700. They have a much better action, shorter bolt throw, better ergonomics, lighter, quieter, much much better trigger, more reliable.

I have had and currently have Savages. I think a good argument can be made for buying a $300 Savage vs. a $800 one. I do not consider them on par with the competition once you get into the $600 range.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've owned five Tikkas and will still take my Savages over them despite their buttery bolt and smooth action and yes, consistent accuracy. Tikka ergos suck in the hand. Their stocks are like 2x4' covered in plastic. They are barrel heavy and the closed top actions are not only ugly, but they keep you from getting to a stuck round if you ever need to. But they are accurate and do have a buttery smooth bolt.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

Here is a paid commercial but they are using the new 307 variants.

 

[wind gypsy]

I've often disparaged the Mark V actions because they don't make sense to me. They have to cost a fair bit to manufacture, you have to get 6 or 9 lug mating surfaces right instead of 2. They are heavier than necessary, and bolt lift is stiff AF on the ones i've handled which seems inherent to a 54 degree bolt lift and lots of lugs (i'm told this gets better over time but i've only messed with lightly used ones). All of that to get the "strongest action" might have made sense with reckless wildcatting 60 years ago but simple 2 lug actions have long proven themselves sufficiently strong to deal with sane pressures so why add machining complexity and weight if it's not needed?

So between not liking the Mark V for reasons covered above and selling rebadged howas, weatherby has been a non-consideration for a while to me even though I like some of their rifle configurations, notably the use of the peak44 stocks.

The new 307 range model stock appears to have very similar form factor to the peak 44 bastion which I like. Seems like a lot of value for the price if they are well built. A 7.5 twist 6 creedmoor would have definitely been preferable to a 7.5 twist 243 but I'd assume they know their market dynamics better than me.

 

[Newtosavage]

Savage didn’t invent any of those features. They were forced to use them as they couldn’t produce a functional rifle at their price point without them. Even using other people’s inventions savage barely produces functional firearms.

Browning (John M) invented the barrel nut
Sako invented a trigger shoe inside a trigger housing
Mauser the 3 position safety
Flush rotary magazines were also a Swiss invention


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That's fair. They may not have invented them, but they popularized them, put them into one rifle that the average person can afford that also happens to be more accurate than most other rifles. Not sure why that doesn't warrant praise instead of hatred tbh.

"barely functional" tells me what I need to know about your objectivity however. I can't take anyone seriously who would characterize the oldest continuously manufactured rifle in North America that way.

 

[amassi]

That's fair. They may not have invented them, but they popularized them, put them into one rifle that the average person can afford that also happens to be more accurate than most other rifles. Not sure why that doesn't warrant praise instead of hatred tbh.

"barely functional" tells me what I need to know about your objectivity however. I can't take anyone seriously who would characterize the oldest continuously manufactured rifle in North America that way.

Barely function means triggers that are prone to freezing from cold and dirt
Bolts that bind when worked
Magazines that need to be tweaked to work ( your words)

If you want to single feed and delicately cycle spent shells into your waiting meat paw they “work” just fine.

You should buy a pair of ice skates for how quickly you slide around looking to be offended/defensive


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[amassi]

That's fair. They may not have invented them, but they popularized them, put them into one rifle that the average person can afford that also happens to be more accurate than most other rifles. Not sure why that doesn't warrant praise instead of hatred tbh.

"barely functional" tells me what I need to know about your objectivity however. I can't take anyone seriously who would characterize the oldest continuously manufactured rifle in North America that way.

Also- they haven’t been continuously manufactured or produced. Their rifles failed so magnificently they had to borrow from Browning, Mauser, Swiss et el to cobble together a functioning model.
Which model in savages current line is more than 30 years old?


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[Newtosavage]

Barely function means triggers that are prone to freezing from cold and dirt
Bolts that bind when worked
Magazines that need to be tweaked to work ( your words)

If you want to single feed and delicately cycle spent shells into your waiting meat paw they “work” just fine.

You should buy a pair of ice skates for how quickly you slide around looking to be offended/defensive


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Shocking that so many people have managed to take so much game since 1958 with a barely functioning firearm. They should be sued for copyright and for misleading the consumer. LOL

The seething hatred is palpable with you friend. God help anyone trying to offer the consumer an affordable good shooting firearm around you.

 

[Newtosavage]

Also- they haven’t been continuously manufactured or produced. Their rifles failed so magnificently they had to borrow from Browning, Mauser, Swiss et el to cobble together a functioning model.
Which model in savages current line is more than 30 years old?


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Wow, you came up with all those facts about who invented what, and you can't even figure out which model Savage has been continuously produced since 1958? Interesting.

 

[gerry35]

Should answer some of the questions on this thread. Sounds like there is a short action magnum coming eventually. A question I had was if you could somehow lose the bolt handle when hiking around and the answer is no when the bolt is in the un cocked state as it should be when hiking around.

 

[sndmn11]

selling rebadged howas, weatherby

I don't know the answer, maybe you do before I try the googles later tonight.

Is the Vanguard a Weatherby design produced by Howe, or a white-labeled Howa design?

The reason I wonder is that in one of these 307 videos, Adam Weatherby says that Roy created/designed/developed/(similar verb) the Vanguard action. I am leaning towards it not being a Weatherby creation, and at most, a Weatherby dress-up in the 1960/70s.

 

[9.3koolaid]

I don't know the answer, maybe you do before I try the googles later tonight.

Is the Vanguard a Weatherby design produced by Howe, or a white-labeled Howa design?

The reason I wonder is that in one of these 307 videos, Adam Weatherby says that Roy created/designed/developed/(similar verb) the Vanguard action. I am leaning towards it not being a Weatherby creation, and at most, a Weatherby dress-up in the 1960/70s.

Howa didn't even design the Vanguard. Started off as the Howa Golden Bear which was based off the Sako L61.

 

[SirChooCH]

Should answer some of the questions on this thread. Sounds like there is a short action magnum coming eventually. A question I had was if you could somehow lose the bolt handle when hiking around and the answer is no when the bolt is in the un cocked state as it should be when hiking around.

Listening now. They did mention they tried to keep the Weatherby style shorter bolt lift but couldn't figure it out. Sounds like other cartridges coming, and possibly other variants as they said they have heavier chassis they are playing with that is more a range or PRS gun than the lighter hunting chassis.

Also the pic rail design is something I don't think they mentioned before

 

[gerry35]

Listening now. They did mention they tried to keep the Weatherby style shorter bolt lift but couldn't figure it out. Sounds like other cartridges coming, and possibly other variants as they said they have heavier chassis they are playing with that is more a range or PRS gun than the lighter hunting chassis.

Also the pic rail design is something I don't think they mentioned before

Yes I heard that too, they abandoned the 3 lug design pretty early on since they weren't happy with the heavy bolt lift. I haven't seen the pic rail yet but could definitely picture what they did to make room for today's big ocular lenses and power rings. If someone wants to use a different bolt in their receiver they can although their bolt sounds like it's got lots of features guys will be happy with. They are going to keep tight tolerances and explained how they keep the receiver from warping so it should be straight.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Yawn...

 

[gerry35]

Yawn...

Thanks for sharing.....

 

[Ryan Avery]

Thanks for sharing.....

You're welcome!

Their first action in fifty years, and they made a slightly better 700 action. The same shit triggers nothing integrated. Slow clap....

I guess I am not easily impressed.

 

[gerry35]

You're welcome!

Their first action in fifty years, and they made a slightly better 700 action. The same shit triggers nothing integrated. Slow clap....

I guess I am not easily impressed.

To each his own I guess. I bet they sell piles of them, they have run a successful company for years and think they know what they are doing.