Weatherby is circling the toilet bowl

[Balderdash]

so, by default, you're telling me every cartridge ever produced and every rifle manufacture is admitting their existence is flawed. Every. Single. One EXCEPT: 6.5creed, 6.8 western, 6.5 PRC, 6.8 blackout, 300 blackout.

Oh boy. If you want to get rid of any of your rifles lmk. Their ballistics, because of your wisdom are now rendered useless.

Why is 6.8W on that list?

 

[JAC8504]

Why is 6.8W on that list?

6.8 has a "fast" twist compared to a 270. 6.8W is 1:8 vs the 270 1:10. Browning i believe even did a 1:7.5 6.8W

 

[wind gypsy]

I thought more about that after posting it a while back. They can’t. Because to “improve” upon them with faster twist barrels and higher BC bullets would be an admission that the very reason for their existence is flawed.

And of course there’s also their unnecessary radiused shouldered brass that’s excessively expensive.

They’d have to start all over. Or adapt to what’s already in existence and is working/selling well. That’s much more practical.

Some of the monsters would still be fast with heavy bullets! I really think it'd just be a bigger problem with incompatibility of new ammo in old rifles. Not enough twist or magazine constraints. Like any traditional cartridge, you don't see everyone changing their SAAMI COAL and twist specs because it would cause a mess.

 

[bmart2622]

Bullets, propellants and reloading in general has improved since Weatherbys inception. Putting fast twist barrels on traditional Wby cartridges is in no way admitting they are flawed or getting away from speed kills. A 257 wby pusing 130+ grain bullets well over 3000fps would be awesome, same for a 270 wby with 160-170 class bullets, same with the 240 wby

 

[SDHNTR]

Some of the monsters would still be fast with heavy bullets! I really think it'd just be a bigger problem with incompatibility of new ammo in old rifles. Not enough twist or magazine constraints. Like any traditional cartridge, you don't see everyone changing their SAAMI COAL and twist specs because it would cause a mess.

That’s definitely true.

 

[SDHNTR]

Bullets, propellants and reloading in general has improved since Weatherbys inception. Putting fast twist barrels on traditional Wby cartridges is in no way admitting they are flawed or getting away from speed kills. A 257 wby pusing 130+ grain bullets well over 3000fps would be awesome, same for a 270 wby with 160-170 class bullets, same with the 240 wby

But with that brass, it would be $100+ a box ammo. Modern cartridges essentially do the same for half that.

 

[2five7]

Haha, you do make a valid point. Kinda.
But Weatherby built an entire brand on “speed kills”. Not just a cartridge or two.

And many of the oldies but goodies like .270, 308, 30-06, still have a place. I’m not sure any of the Weatherby rounds do.

And what do you do about their brass/ammo cost and unnecessarily expensive design?

The .270 win still has a place, but the .270 wby mag doesn't?

Even with the 10 twist barrels, the 300 wby is still tough to beat for a do it all long range round. Throws 215s at 3000+

 

[SDHNTR]

The .270 win still has a place, but the .270 wby mag doesn't?

Even with the 10 twist barrels, the 300 wby is still tough to beat for a do it all long range round. Throws 215s at 3000+

You’re right, until you factor in cost.

 

[bmart2622]

257 wby brass can be bought for $90ish/50, 6.5 prc brass is $85ish. Doesn't seem like a deal breaker to me

 

[Happy Antelope]

The 460 isn't overbore
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The only thing "Overbore" in African Dangerous game is the 600 Nitro. That round has killed many elephants, buffalo, Rhino and Hippos. Saved a lot of lives over the years where his partner was holding a .375.

 

[Balderdash]

Every company has to evolve to stay relevant. The question is if new initiatives are going to point the company in the right direction. As a quasi objective observer, I do think that they've "jumped the shark" a bit lately with chasing/building a perception with a certain crowd over maintaining QC and developing innovative new product that's relevant to the market.

How relevant is yet another 700 clone? What are the profit margins for a product that is already mass produced by a lot of other, established sources and has a certain level of inherent design flaws that are well known?

How relevant are new cartridges that aren't designed to maximize loading high BC bullets and are more costly to buy ammo and components for?

What makes your product line worth more than the competition? (such as Tikka)

 

[SDHNTR]

257 wby brass can be bought for $90ish/50, 6.5 prc brass is $85ish. Doesn't seem like a deal breaker to me

 

[bmart2622]

I can use Google too, and I did. Norma 257 to Lapua 6.5 prc. The difference is minimal. You compared it the most expensive brass to try and prove your point. And Im assuming you were posting the Lapua brass and not the junk Hornady

 

[Balderdash]

6.8 has a "fast" twist compared to a 270. 6.8W is 1:8 vs the 270 1:10. Browning i believe even did a 1:7.5 6.8W

I apologize for the lack of context. I know full well the design characteristics of the 6.8W; my comment was meant as sarcasm. As in, why is it on the list with those well designed, more established, efficient cartridges? And also, as of right now, it has a more proprietary bent in terms of component and rifle sources than the other cartridges you listed.

 

[ckleeves]

The MKV Is truly the ultimate Fud elk rifle. Preferable chambered at a minimum in 300 wby, bonus points if it’s in 340 wby or 378. There is just something about that stock with its 17 coats of high gloss and that Monte Carlo design that threatens to dislodge teeth when fired while also being impossible to shoot prone. That incredible 9 lug design where at least 3 of them make contact.

Extra street cred given if it’s Magnaported, that way your buddies who were standing a little to close can’t hear your screams as you try to find your tooth and stop the bleeding on your eye after thinking you could shoot prone but the recoil pad was 4” below your shoulder and that 340 ain’t an easy pony to tame.

The big bulls really come out of the woodwork if the owner of said rifle has it topped with a high gloss Leupold in the 3x9 range that’s sighted in perfect to the owners flinch. It’s only on for him, if somebody else shoots it it’s about 9” off at a hundo.

Those big bulls lose all fear if it’s a “Crown” version with some gorgeous art of a Polar bear catching a seal emerging from an ice hole carved into the wood with an exacto knife.

Weatherby will never die.

 

[SDHNTR]

I can use Google too, and I did. Norma 257 to Lapua 6.5 prc. The difference is minimal. You compared it the most expensive brass to try and prove your point

No, that’s just what came up as available.

 

[fwafwow]

For those who don't reload - the cheapest 257 Wby I could find online is $3.45 per round (100gr). If 6.5PRC is the comparison, the least expensive I could find is $1.65 per (140gr). Not apples to apples, fwiw.

 

[Balderdash]

The MKV Is truly the ultimate Fud elk rifle. Preferable chambered at a minimum in 300 wby, bonus points if it’s in 340 wby or 378. There is just something about that stock with its 17 coats of high gloss and that Monte Carlo design that threatens to dislodge teeth when fired while also being impossible to shoot prone. That incredible 9 lug design where at least 3 of them make contact.

Extra street cred given if it’s Magnaported, that way your buddies who were standing a little to close can’t hear your screams as you try to find your tooth and stop the bleeding on your eye after thinking you could shoot prone but the recoil pad was 4” below your shoulder and that 340 ain’t an easy pony to tame.

The big bulls really come out of the woodwork if the owner of said rifle has it topped with a high gloss Leupold in the 3x9 range that’s sighted in perfect to the owners flinch. It’s only on for him, if somebody else shoots it it’s about 9” off at a hundo.

Those big bulls lose all fear if it’s a “Crown” version with some gorgeous art of a Polar bear catching a seal emerging from an ice hole carved into the wood with an exacto knife.

Weatherby will never die.

Hey now, I used to own a 300wby with a 3-9 Leupold on it (was matte, though).

Ridiculous as it might seem when viewed through the lens of modernity, at the time it was a pretty boss rig. Really flattened out the mountains and valleys, as my uncle would say. Not saying it was pleasant or the best possible design for shooting, but I did shoot that rig well, even in field positions.

As pointed out by SDHNTR earlier, in the days before LRF, reliable dialing scopes, and high BC bullets, such a rig greatly decreased the margin of error for hitting farther off targets. These days there's much better ways to reach that objective.

 

[bmart2622]

Quality wouldn't be apples to apples either

 

[Brontosaurus]

The MKV Is truly the ultimate Fud elk rifle. Preferable chambered at a minimum in 300 wby, bonus points if it’s in 340 wby or 378. There is just something about that stock with its 17 coats of high gloss and that Monte Carlo design that threatens to dislodge teeth when fired while also being impossible to shoot prone. That incredible 9 lug design where at least 3 of them make contact.

Extra street cred given if it’s Magnaported, that way your buddies who were standing a little to close can’t hear your screams as you try to find your tooth and stop the bleeding on your eye after thinking you could shoot prone but the recoil pad was 4” below your shoulder and that 340 ain’t an easy pony to tame.

The big bulls really come out of the woodwork if the owner of said rifle has it topped with a high gloss Leupold in the 3x9 range that’s sighted in perfect to the owners flinch. It’s only on for him, if somebody else shoots it it’s about 9” off at a hundo.

Those big bulls lose all fear if it’s a “Crown” version with some gorgeous art of a Polar bear catching a seal emerging from an ice hole carved into the wood with an exacto knife.

Weatherby will never die.

I almost lost my coffee there