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[JP100]

Most the red stags here are shit like that.

no place for it in the hunting world.

Do it if you want, but call it some other name

 

[mtnkid85]

So you're going to stealth brag about getting a OTC aoudad and not post pics? That's cool

Yea, Im less interested in the dumb high fence semantics and more interested in YOUR otc Aoudad! Give us the details on that!

Congrats by the way. That hunt is high on my list!

 

[TheCougar]

Sorry the pictures aren’t the best. I was solo until the next morning when a buddy helped with the pack out.

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[jspradley]

Nice ram! Good job editing out the fence and ATV tracks from the pic, you even cut out the ear tag before taking the pics! j/k ;-)

 

[5MilesBack]

When a rancher lets someone come out and kill livestock it’s not called hunting. It’s called dispatching livestock.
Why folks tend to call it hunting if it’s an animal species that is commonly hunted is beyond me.

Exactly. It's all semantics at that point. If a guy wants to walk up to the ram and cut it's throat instead of shooting it........so be it. If he wants to shoot it, no problem. If he wants to pass on the opportunity to his buddy instead........whatever. But it's not hunting in any form..........it's "killing". I'm still not against that, it's their animal to do with what they want. What they call it isn't my business either.

 

[Kootenay Hunter]

The fact of the matter is, to the general public, it's all 'hunting' to them and we're all hurt when things like this bubble up the scummy surface of social media. And no, I'm not advocating that as hunters we have to support any and all kinds of 'hunting', quite the opposite.

The other thing to consider is if these 'hunts', especially in the US, even contribute to conservation in any way. Private animals on private land, I think not. It's all a private transaction. So those touting that hunting is conservation, well, not in these cases it isn't. Even if the species does live in the wild, it's disconnected. "Come to my turkey farm and kill a turkey"....that's hunting? No.

People can do whatever they want free country, but I wouldn't give anyone a pass when they spin a bs yarn about a 'hunt' like that, put 'em in their place. Whenever I see a nice mount I always ask them to tell me about the hunt....interesting replies sometimes for sure...

 

[IdahoElk]

Exactly. It's all semantics at that point. If a guy wants to walk up to the ram and cut it's throat instead of shooting it........so be it. If he wants to shoot it, no problem. If he wants to pass on the opportunity to his buddy instead........whatever. But it's not hunting in any form..........it's "killing". I'm still not against that, it's their animal to do with what they want. What they call it isn't my business either.

I agree and also don't think it's hunting when a client pays outfitters and guides to "sit" on specific animals until they get there to dispatch it.

 

[5MilesBack]

There's always something to get offended with these days it seems. It doesn't matter what it is, some will always mislabel or misidentify it as something it's not. Just like enforcing immigration laws labeled as "racism" instead by many people. Most people with even half a brain know and understand that it isn't racism at all. Same for these so-called "hunts". Most of us know that they are in fact NOT hunts at all. People will spin it however they want, to meet whatever agenda they want. Quite frankly, there isn't enough time in a lifetime to deal with them and their idiocy. Idiots are what they are, and they aren't worth the effort or time.

 

[TheCougar]

Nice ram! Good job editing out the fence and ATV tracks from the pic, you even cut out the ear tag before taking the pics! j/k ;-)

Oh, it wasn’t just the fence! I had my wife photoshop out the leash and the tranq dart in had in the neck. I thought the photoshopped cliffs in the background came out reaaaaal nice!


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[Muttly]

Good grief, that,s like shooting tame deer, what's the point??
Guess I, m too much of a cream puff, that just doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

[5MilesBack]

I have relatives that are cattle ranchers in Western Colorado. I buy a beef every now and then. A few years ago I asked my uncle if I could just come over the next time and shoot one in the field with an arrow. He looked at me with a befuddled look for about 10 seconds before replying with "no". Everyone would know that this wouldn't be hunting in any way, shape, or form. I just want the meat as an end product, but would really like to put an arrow through one in that process.

Well, a lot of people just want a mount on the wall but would still like to shoot it themselves.....whether it's in the back of the truck, tied to a tree, or roaming around a field. Everyone knows that this isn't "hunting" in any way, shape, or form.

Terminology, semantics, and understanding.........are all very interesting concepts. I always have deer all over my place and they eat everything and destroy a lot of stuff. So one day I asked a local game warden if I could somehow get a damage tag for the deer. He said "no". Then I asked if there was any way I could actually hunt deer inside the city limits. His reply was "Oh ya, you can hunt them all you want, you just can't legally discharge a weapon in the city limits".

His understanding is similar to mine. I've always said "I'm hunting right up until the point of taking the shot, but at that point the hunt is over and now it's just shooting". I don't think the anti's are so much anti-hunting, as much as they are anti-shooting.....which ends in killing. There are plenty of wildlife photographers out there that would be considered "anti's", yet they enjoy the "hunt" as much as we do.

 

[Middleofnowhere]

My buddy in Alaska views anyone who buys meat in a grocery store with the same disdain many of you view high fence hunters...

 

[Bruce Culberson]

TheCougar - that broomed, OTC aoudad is a fine trophy and I'm betting it was a good adevnture!

 

[Trial153]

Pen killing without any semblance of fair chase is a stain on hunting. Defending it is morally vacant and quite frankly intellectually lazy.

 

[FURMAN]

Pen killing without any semblance of fair chase is a stain on hunting. Defending it is morally vacant and quite frankly intellectually lazy.

Here we are again. What is pen killing? Every single huntable animal in Africa is sustained by hunting dollars. They are all I very very large “pens”. I don’t agree with the scenario in the op but I also don’t agree with lumping them altogether.


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[Trial153]

Here we are again. What is pen killing? Every single huntable animal in Africa is sustained by hunting dollars. They are all I very very large “pens”. I don’t agree with the scenario in the op but I also don’t agree with lumping them altogether.


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Selective reading? I said a semblance of fair chase. I would hope that if you chose to go hunt in a pen for say an impala you would vet for a semblance of fair chase. Or would you be ok if I said sure we have impala , I have two in a 40 acres pen ready for. Would you sign onto that?

And pen killing is just what is says. If someone is getting paid to turn an animal loose in a pen so someone can kill it. It pen killing. It not hunting, its not farming and it isnt ranching.

 

[FURMAN]

Selective reading? I said a semblance of fair chase. I would hope that if you chose to go hunt in a pen for say an impala you would vet for a semblance of fair chase. Or would you be ok if I said sure we have impala , I have two in a 40 acres pen ready for. Would you sign onto that?

And pen killing is just what is says. If someone is getting paid to turn an animal loose in a pen so someone can kill it. It pen killing. It not hunting, its not farming and it isnt ranching.

I think I made my stance pretty clear. I just am not sure where a pen comes into play. I personally would leave it a fair chase. You have, twice now, said pen killing is not hunting. I will tell you right now that is 100% incorrect. Every animal in South Africa is in a "pen" and you are not going to just go out and kill a quality animal over there any easier than you will in the states on public land. It is a completely different story if you have no regards to trophy quality. I could not care less if you never want to hunt South Africa. Obviously that is your choice but to say it is not hunting is a little close minded. I will repeat the situation in the op is definitely not hunting but I still do not understand why that is strictly tied to a "pen". Either way I do not have time to argue. We are all allowed to hunt or shoot animals as we wish as long as it is legal.

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Sorry the pictures aren’t the best. I was solo until the next morning when a buddy helped with the pack out.

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Very nice!

 

[elkduds]

Anyone interested in how CWD took of in wild ungulates? Hint: the high fence did not contain it.

High fence "hunting" and "hunters" are repulsive to me. No fair chase, no free range, no opportunity to engage the hunting DNA.

 

[Backpack Hunter]

Anyone interested in how CWD took of in wild ungulates? Hint: the high fence did not contain it.

High fence "hunting" and "hunters" are repulsive to me. No fair chase, no free range, no opportunity to engage the hunting DNA.

Any proof of that CWD claim?

Esse quam videri

 

[5MilesBack]

Pen killing without any semblance of fair chase is a stain on hunting.

It's not a stain on hunting because the two are mutually exclusive. One has nothing to do with the other. If there is no hunting involved, then it isn't hunting.........just as you've used a different term to describe it......."pen killing". You used a different term because it's a different activity. It's not hunting.

We used to raise four hogs every year for the freezer. Our processor had a refrigerated processing truck that he would drive to our place and then shoot each hog in the forehead, and load them up into the truck and process them. The hogs were in a "pen", and they were "killed". This so-called "pen killing" had absolutely nothing to do with hunting, so why would anyone confuse the two.......or even think or imply that they are related?

What the OP posted on has absolutely nothing to do with hunting........at all. Anyone with any sense at all can see that, so there is no stain to hunting. You even said it here

It not hunting, its not farming and it isnt ranching.

So why would there be a stain to hunting?