Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50mm Q&A

[CoStick]

at the end of the day it is about clicks and this and Covid posts gets it done .

 

[dirtytough]

Ryan gave Form a scope to test. He tested it his way. The scope failed Form’s test. Form posted the results. What benefit would Ryan and Form have to shit on a RS sponsors product? Whether I agree with exactly how he tests it or not, at least he is taking the time/money/gear/effort to test and post the results.

I haven’t seen anyone else test a scope as thoroughly and post the results. There’s other guys that type about shooting thousands of rounds on here and try to poke holes in the test. Yet for some reason they haven’t outlined their test procedures, showed results, etc.

I always wondered why clients had to shoot their gun right before leaving the airstrip on a sheep hunt. Obviously the landing must of been way to rough since most made adjustments.

 

[CoStick]

Ryan gave Form a scope to test. He tested it his way. The scope failed Form’s test. Form posted the results. What benefit would Ryan and Form have to shit on a RS sponsors product? Whether I agree with exactly how he tests it or not, at least he is taking the time/money/gear/effort to test and post the results.

I haven’t seen anyone else test a scope as thoroughly and post the results. There’s other guys that type about shooting thousands of rounds on here and try to poke holes in the test. Yet for some reason they haven’t outlined their test procedures, showed results, etc.

I always wondered why clients had to shoot their gun right before leaving the airstrip on a sheep hunt. Obviously the landing must of been way to rough since most made adjustments.

When you travel with a rifle it goes through numerous planes and people. I also check my bows when I arrive at destinations. Nothing wrong with being diligent.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

I agree that the Form's tests going forward should be in a separate, locked, thread. Comments regarding the test in another. There is too much b.s. to sort through to find the meaningful information as it is.

 

[CoStick]

I agree that the Form's tests going forward should be in a separate, locked, thread. Comments regarding the test in another. There is too much b.s. to sort through to find the meaningful information as it is.

Yes and they should be filmed and film posted.

 

[freddyG]

Yes and they should be filmed and film posted.

Are you skeptical that a Vortex product failed? I would be shocked if it didn’t.

 

[CoStick]

Are you skeptical that a Vortex product failed? I would be shocked if it didn’t.

I think transparency is important.

 

[Rob5589]

When you travel with a rifle it goes through numerous planes and people. I also check my bows when I arrive at destinations. Nothing wrong with being diligent.

I think that is, possibly, the crux of issue. How can a scope manufacturer put their units through "vigorous" testing without failure, yet a scope will (potentially) shift zero from riding in a padded case? There is no way a scope that can take "thousands of whatever G-force" impacts without fail yet fail from riding in a pickup/airplane/atv while surrounded by padding. The whole story isn't being told.

 

[CoStick]

I think that is, possibly, the crux of issue. How can a scope manufacturer put their units through "vigorous" testing without failure, yet a scope will (potentially) shift zero from riding in a padded case? There is no way a scope that can take "thousands of whatever G-force" impacts without fail yet fail from riding in a pickup/airplane/atv while surrounded by padding. The whole story isn't being told.

Having spent time on the ramp, always good to check.

 

[freddyG]

I think transparency is important.

Anybody can doctor a video to their liking. It’s not 100% proof.

It basically comes down to whether you trust Form or not. Ryan obviously does, and I think that goes a long way. Form also said that it’s just information, it’s not like he’s stopping anybody from buying these unreliable scopes.

 

[CoStick]

Anybody can doctor a video to their liking. It’s not 100% proof.

It basically comes down to whether you trust Form or not. Ryan obviously does, and I think that goes a long way. Form also said that it’s just information, it’s not like he’s stopping anybody from buying these unreliable scopes.

It is good for entertainment but I have no reason to doubt or believe him. We don’t even know who he is. I doubt many people would think he is faking a video, but a video would certainly provide transparency and clarity.

 

[JFK]

I doubt it’s an evil international conspiracy by the scope makers….more likely laziness, complacency and focusing on gadgetry that drives sales without covering the basics first. They probably do test their scopes to some standard, but as we can see here it’s not a very high one. Maybe they know their scopes won’t tolerate a drop so they avoid testing it that way. Would be nice if they fixed that, especially when they are charging significant sums of money.

On the other hand we have the best scopes at any point in history and there are a lot of guys getting it done without $2500 Nightforce scopes. Even today’s cheap scopes are better than what was available a generation ago. I primarily hunt with a Leupold (I can hear the Roksliders gasp in disgust!) and it continues put bullets where I aim despite occasional drops.

 

[TX_Diver]

I agree that the Form's tests going forward should be in a separate, locked, thread. Comments regarding the test in another. There is too much b.s. to sort through to find the meaningful information as it is.

@Ryan Avery something like the cold bow challenge format would be great for these. One thread for the actual test and another thread for people to squabble… or discuss.

 

[Woodrow F Call]

Can we stop with the useless bickering? It's just cluttering the thread up.

Don't want to trust Formidilosus on his testing? Cool. Don't.

 

[Bubblehide]

Can we stop with the useless bickering? It's just cluttering the thread up.

Don't want to trust Formidilosus on his testing? Cool. Don't.

I can do that.

 

[CoStick]

Can we stop with the useless bickering? It's just cluttering the thread up.

Don't want to trust Formidilosus on his testing? Cool. Don't.

Now that it is Rokslide sponsored it should have a better foundation than “either trust form or not”

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

Now that it is Rokslide sponsored it should have a better foundation than “either trust form or not”

Did you see this thread? https://www.rokslide.com/forums/threads/tanget-theta-3-15x50mm-scope-evaluation.242527/

 

[CoStick]

Did you see this thread? https://www.rokslide.com/forums/threads/tanget-theta-3-15x50mm-scope-evaluation.242527/

Yes, I follow most. Very informative.

 

[Ryan Avery]

I will get this all organized this week. I'm traveling at the moment. I will see form towards the end of the week and get the video.


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[Fartrell Cluggins]

Yes, I follow most. Very informative.

Were you clamoring for the same "transparency" in that thread? If not, why not?