Unknown suppressors OG testing

[jonpall]

If the 6.5 can is way better than the original 30, I'd like a 22 caliber can as well. I understand the use case is limited for them compared to the larger cans, but most of my suppressed shooting is with 22 caliber rifles, so I'd purchase one if it was made. Haven't heard I'd that's in the plans though.

 

[Presswood_936]

If the 6.5 can is way better than the original 30, I'd like a 22 caliber can as well. I understand the use case is limited for them compared to the larger cans, but most of my suppressed shooting is with 22 caliber rifles, so I'd purchase one if it was made. Haven't heard I'd that's in the plans though.

It’ll be out next month, it’ll be 5 ounces and 120db

 

[bergie]

If you decide to be an early adopter there is risk you are assuming. If you're good with the risk of the way better thing coming out in a month (or the thing explodes under normal use), go for it; if not, wait a year and see how things shake out. At this point I think i will be buying an OG 6.5 or the Airlock....in a year. I learned my lesson after I bought a Scythe early after release (nothing but glowing reviews when I placed my order). It hasn't grenaded...yet

 

[HuntHarder]

I'll join in here to express a some frustration with the US timeline related to the OG rollout and it's variants.

I got in on the OG presale because I was excited about the product and wanted to support US in their startup phase. I have no regrets about that; the OG is a great can.

That said, it did sting a little to see the OG go on sale within a month of the initial release. I understand the reasoning – trying to incentivize people to buy now instead of waiting until Jan 1 when the tax stamp goes away – but still. Anyway, shrugged that off and moved on.

But now to see the OG Six-Five rollout within two months of the OG release and see it described as "way better than the .30 Caliber version" on their own website, have it somehow be 30% lighter than the OG, and have it be cheaper than the OG is pretty ******* irritating to be honest.

I forgot about the first kick in the nuts when they reduced the price right after we got ours.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

do you Think other OG owners might be afraid to speak up here ? Others have criticized it in the past and have miraculously done 180s in their opinion of the OG .

Are you suggesting that it is unreasonable to go from being a bit disappointed with the OG after shooting it once on an 18” 6.5mm Grendel to being happy with it after shooting it over 200 rounds with it on a 21” .270 and a 20” 6.5 CM.

To me, it would be unreasonable to base my entire opinion of the OG on one prone shot taken under field conditions immediately after taking another prone shot with a different suppressor (and, stupidly, without using hearing protection for either shot). For all I know, the reason my ears rang from the OG is because of the cumulative damage from the first shot I took with the Scythe followed by another shot two minutes later. Either way, I was ignorant of what I was doing and have since educated myself.

My first impression - based on literally one shot in a head-to-head comparison with the Scythe, which is objectively a quieter can - was poor. But the more I have used the OG, the more I like it.

If you like something else better, feel free to continue to share your opinion. No one has stopped you and no one will. But, at the end of the day, you are complaining that, in a head-to-head test, a suppressor rated at 133 dBA sounds louder than a suppressor rated at 130 dBA. That’s not a surprise to anyone. Yet you act like there was some false advertising on US/UM’s part. It performs exactly as advertised. Unlike many other suppressors I could name.

As for comparisons between the OG and the Airlock 6.5, I await the Airlock 30. If it manages to be the same length, lighter, quieter, and durable enough to handle any .30 caliber cartridge, I will be duly impressed. And it might well change my next suppressor purchase. But it won’t make me regret the months I have spent using the OG.


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[mtnwrunner]

It’ll be out next month, it’ll be 5 ounces and 120db

Enough of the snarky meaningless comments.

Randy

 

[SC_Scout]

I am new to the forum, and mostly just trying to take in as much info as possible before making the decision on a new can. That being said, the way 3D printing is allowing companies to make new/better products almost daily is amazing right now. Add that with all of the new interest in suppressor purchases with the tax stamp going away, I bet we see better cans on a regular basis for the next 1-2 years. Throw in AI advancements to assist with designs, and I think we might see some amazing innovation.
I really appreciate US for doing what they are doing, and I would hope that if they stumble across a better can, they run with it. It’s incredibly difficult to not pull the trigger on an OG 6.5 now, but I can’t help but think the options are going to be even better 6mo - 1 year from now.
Thank you to everyone who has been sharing their first hand experiences with the rest of us.

 

[ElPollo]

So let me get this straight.. People are pissed because a new company is innovating with a rapid turnaround, while testing their products before they release them, are offering multiple new products for sale in their first year of existence, and because people bought the first one the company offered but like the fourth one better?… I’m so confused.

 

[Moosehunter]

I like the innovation. Can't wait to see more. That said I'm going to keep saving my money.
Use an ab-10 if u want a rock solid can for cheap. Then buy from US when everything settles down a little.
Im curious to hear results from folks with the 6.5 version. Sounds like a nice can. For sure when the OG was more purpose build for smaller hunting rifles anyway

 

[kswaterfowl]

Are you suggesting that it is unreasonable to go from being a bit disappointed with the OG after shooting it once on an 18” 6.5mm Grendel to being happy with it after shooting it over 200 rounds with it on a 21” .270 and a 20” 6.5 CM.

To me, it would be unreasonable to base my entire opinion of the OG on one prone shot taken under field conditions immediately after taking another prone shot with a different suppressor (and, stupidly, without using hearing protection for either shot). For all I know, the reason my ears rang from the OG is because of the cumulative damage from the first shot I took with the Scythe followed by another shot two minutes later. Either way, I was ignorant of what I was doing and have since educated myself.

My first impression - based on literally one shot in a head-to-head comparison with the Scythe, which is objectively a quieter can - was poor. But the more I have used the OG, the more I like it.

If you like something else better, feel free to continue to share your opinion. No one has stopped you and no one will. But, at the end of the day, you are complaining that, in a head-to-head test, a suppressor rated at 133 dBA sounds louder than a suppressor rated at 130 dBA. That’s not a surprise to anyone. Yet you act like there was some false advertising on US/UM’s part. It performs exactly as advertised. Unlike many other suppressors I could name.

As for comparisons between the OG and the Airlock 6.5, I await the Airlock 30. If it manages to be the same length, lighter, quieter, and durable enough to handle any .30 caliber cartridge, I will be duly impressed. And it might well change my next suppressor purchase. But it won’t make me regret the months I have spent using the OG.


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You wear hearing protection every time you shoot, even when suppressed?

 

[Antares]

So let me get this straight.. People are pissed because a new company is innovating with a rapid turnaround, while testing their products before they release them, are offering multiple new products for sale in their first year of existence, and because people bought the first one the company offered but like the fourth one better?… I’m so confused.

I see the point you’re making and I don’t disagree, but hopefully you can see my perspective too.

I’m not saying anyone did anything wrong, but I am entitled to my opinion on the matter.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

You wear hearing protection every time you shoot, even when suppressed?

Unless I am hunting, yes. A suppressor gets you about 30 decibels of protection, properly worn earplugs or headphones are another 30, and a set of earplugs or headphones adds an additional 20 (sound comes in through your jawbone as well, which is why further ear protection isn’t as effective as 30+30).

Hearing damage is a function of sound over time. A rock concert at 110 decibels for an hour can cause permanent hearing damage. So too can a single exposure to a gunshot (anything over 140 decibels).

Edit - I have grossly simplified it, but the bottom line is that unless I have an important reason to not wear redundant levels of hearing protection (like being able to hear nearby game or have situational awareness for other important reasons), I wear double hearing protection whenever possible. If I were to spend hours at the range, firing suppressed rounds without plugs and/or headphones, I would be doing permanent damage to my hearing.


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[nm.otter]

If you decide to be an early adopter there is risk you are assuming.

When I was a young engineer, someone a bit older and wiser than I was used to remind us that "You can always tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."

 

[Kaleb]

So let me get this straight.. People are pissed because a new company is innovating with a rapid turnaround, while testing their products before they release them, are offering multiple new products for sale in their first year of existence, and because people bought the first one the company offered but like the fourth one better?… I’m so confused.

I certainly can’t and won’t speak for everyone but I don’t get the impression that anyone is “pissed”. That’s an exaggeration from the way I’ve read it. Some folks have mentioned that if they were OG buyers they might be a little raw but I don’t really see that the buyers are really complaining especially not complaining to the point they’re pissed.

I read it more like we jumped on the bandwagon and bought something that was pretty much delivered as advertised. Then they along with another company was able to bring a new product to market. Sooner than expected but tip of the hat for them continuing to make improvements. Five years from now it really won’t matter if they came out with a product that is better (to some) in two months or 12 months.

I think it’s just more or less guys chit chatting about something we bought. Like the man above said. We willing and happily jumped in on the presale. Then they went on sale due to a policy that had nothing to do with any suppressor company. This is not the first time I e bought something and then the product went on sale for less. Then they come out with a can that for the majority of us is a better mouse trap. Again that happens. Does it suck a little bit if you have no need for the 30 caliber part? Sure but it’s not like our 30 caliber OG’s perform any less just because they have a better version. A better version for those of us who don’t need larger than 6.5.

 

[mtnbound]

Here’s a slomo of the muzzle blast , also make sure your playback is atleast 1080p

The only thing I can see clearly is more gasses from the OG. Is that what you are you trying to show in slomo?

 

[HuntHarder]

So let me get this straight.. People are pissed because a new company is innovating with a rapid turnaround, while testing their products before they release them, are offering multiple new products for sale in their first year of existence, and because people bought the first one the company offered but like the fourth one better?… I’m so confused.

I'll speak for myself and say I'm not pissed. Like I stated earlier, I imagine new cans will be released in a much shorter timeline than what we were used to. I am all for innovation and better products. With that comes the chance you buy too early and miss out on innovation a couple months later. 3D printing is a quick process. Hopefully you can look at it from both perspectives.

 

[Presswood_936]

The only thing I can see clearly is more gasses from the OG. Is that what you are you trying to show in slomo?

Yes a slomo of the OG capturing less gas than the much smaller non reflex competition

 

[mtnbound]

Yes a slomo of the OG capturing less gas than the much smaller non reflex competition

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[mtnbound]

No1 is saying they shouldn’t innovate.. Heck UM is spitting out new models faster than ChatGPT can spin out new updates . Kudos to them for that and we should all be thankful for UM for progressing the industry.

I think what is being voiced though is that it will certainly have a mixed impact on a company’s goodwill when their inaugural, and very much hyped, product launch is inferior to a new and “way better” version two months later. And that catalyzes the questions being asked here of i) if UM should have done more testing/refinement of their product before the initial launch, and ii) if there is anything that could be done to reward initial OG supporters who have likely not even used their product more than a time or two, and who would likely prefer the new and improved can.

As for me, I’ll likely have an OG 6.5 once they hit SilencerShop

I remember when US/UK was first talking about the OG and it was mentioned then that the OG was not designed to be the quietest can on the market. It was designed for a specific tone, balance, below safe sound limits and overall short length for a hunting rifle.
You as the buyer need to figure out what your priority is in a can. For me the OG works as designed, would I have bought a 6.5 version instead if it was available probably so, but I have been using a suppressed rifle for over 25 years and have used numerous cans some louder, some weaker, some lighter, some heavier, some complete POS and some good ones and I would put the OG in the good ones group.
I fired 20 rounds of 223 averaging 2864fps out of my Tikka today in a rapid fire sequence and yes the can got hot and the mirage was getting bad but I could keep shooting, some cans would not allow for that at all, the OG does and for my training rifle that’s what I want. I then took the same can and put 12 rounds of 22CM averaging 3125fps through it stopping only to load a magazine and again it worked as advertised.
Do I need another can no, but I will likely buy one of the newer designs, will it be the OG6.5, or Reaper or Airlock or something else new that comes out in the next month that will depend on my wants.
As a current OG owner I knew what I was buying and I do not feel I am owed anything from US/UK.

 

[2buffalo]

I'll join in here to express a some frustration with the US timeline related to the OG rollout and it's variants.

I got in on the OG presale because I was excited about the product and wanted to support US in their startup phase. I have no regrets about that; the OG is a great can.

That said, it did sting a little to see the OG go on sale within a month of the initial release. I understand the reasoning – trying to incentivize people to buy now instead of waiting until Jan 1 when the tax stamp goes away – but still. Anyway, shrugged that off and moved on.

But now to see the OG Six-Five rollout within two months of the OG release and see it described as "way better than the .30 Caliber version" on their own website, have it somehow be 30% lighter than the OG, and have it be cheaper than the OG is pretty ******* irritating to be honest.

I would sell my OG immediately if I could.easily. it really isn't that impressive. The shoot2hunt.exo bag on the other hand is well designed and is not oversold with its.practical features. The OG was definitely oversold.