Unknown suppressors OG testing

Timjohnson11 said:
What’s the general vibe of OG owners on here with the new OG 6.5 undercutting it spec wise much more quickly than a normal product cycle? Has anyone inquired of US if they can do anything for all the OG buyers?

Probably a bit optimistic but how about an OG 6.5 at cost (if wanted) for everyone who ran out and bought the OG for their 223/6mm/6.5mm only to see it get “way better” (their words not mine, see below from their website) just as they are starting to get to use them? Not trying to stir the pot, just curious what the sentiment is.

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Evolution of products is inevitable. The problem most people will have is the NFA factor in the equation. The fact that you need a stamp for these products and can’t just sell them off when you want something else - like a new pair of binoculars or spotting scope- makes people want to feel extra confident in their purchase.

Look at any other market - there’s always something newer coming out and it makes the other product obsolete. Does that mean the other product is completely worthless? No. I still have an iPhone 13, and this is something I use every day.

Ultimately I have a safe full of old tech suppressors that sit without a host. Another company - CAT- openly talks about their new products and products they currently sell being “old tech” but even their “old tech” is still leagues above suppressors from 2-3 years ago.

We’re in a good time in the industry for innovation, but that’s going to cause some hurt feelings when the next best thing comes out. I think the OG is a great can but it’s not the end all.
 
Q_Sertorius said:
And? What point are you trying to make?


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You are arguing as if it’s fact your set up is sub 140. How do you know?

If they have done some 20” ish 6.5PRC testing since they shoot a bunch of those, and it’s sub 140, cool. I just haven’t seen it.

I think it would be beneficial for all companies to list the most popular cartridge and barrel length combination, considering the trend is shorter barrels (16,18,20”), that way the consumer is more informed about what they are buying, and therefore can set their expectations.
 
Ajsomp said:
Evolution of products is inevitable. The problem most people will have is the NFA factor in the equation. The fact that you need a stamp for these products and can’t just sell them off when you want something else - like a new pair of binoculars or spotting scope- makes people want to feel extra confident in their purchase.

Look at any other market - there’s always something newer coming out and it makes the other product obsolete. Does that mean the other product is completely worthless? No. I still have an iPhone 13, and this is something I use every day.

Ultimately I have a safe full of old tech suppressors that sit without a host. Another company - CAT- openly talks about their new products and products they currently sell being “old tech” but even their “old tech” is still leagues above suppressors from 2-3 years ago.

We’re in a good time in the industry for innovation, but that’s going to cause some hurt feelings when the next best thing comes out. I think the OG is a great can but it’s not the end all.
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I’m not implying @Unknown Suppressors shouldn’t innovate and improve. Their improvements benefit me after all as a potential customer intrigued by the OG 6.5.. But undercutting your flagship product spec-wise in 2 months feels very hard to stomach if I was an initial OG buyer, as well as signal of a potential mistake by @Unknown Suppressors to take the OG to market when they did and not further test/refine first. This isn’t remotely close to a natural product cycle, nor is the OG a normal product (NFA status), complicating upgrade prospects more.

I would guess the vast, vast amount of OG buyers (80% or more?) would prefer an alternative scenario where there was a bit more testing and product refinement done by US prior to launch, and the OG 6.5 was the can in their hands today. They would have gladly waited two months for a can that is “way better”. Again not trying to stir the pot but genuinely curious if there is anything @Ryan Avery and the @Unknown Suppressors crew can do here for initial OG buyers?

And I hear your arguments on versatility, but if the OG 6.5 covers 223, 6mm, 6.5mm, and is even functioning on their 7mms (see their podcast comments), it feels like that should have been their initial flagship launch all along. Especially if it’s “way better” (again, their words not mine).
 
Timjohnson11 said:
And I hear your arguments on versatility, but if the OG 6.5 covers 223, 6mm, 6.5mm, and is even functioning on their 7mms (see their podcast comments), it feels like that should have been their initial flagship launch all along. Especially if it’s “way better” (their words not mine).
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Those podcast comments about 7mm were downright stupid. Like SilencerCo levels of stupid. It’s one thing to durability test a suppressor - under controlled conditions - outside the safety margins. It’s another to talk about it like it’s no big deal on a podcast.

A lot of these suppressor companies - or their spokespeople - need to be a lot more careful about what they say and do.

Paying attention to the new SAAMI specs and safety margins, clearly listing restrictions on advertising materials, marketing materials, and the page where the consumer purchases the item… all that matters in a lawsuit situation.

Edit - that is not to say that I think Cliff is doing anything wrong or unsafe. But I think the podcast muddies the waters and potentially sets up a situation where some nimrod fires a 7mm Remington Magnum through his OG 6.5 and gets a bad result. And while it may be due to his rifle being cut and threaded by a nimrod, him not checking clearances, etc., the podcast creates more potential liability.

I’ve been doing risk management for over 20 years and that 7mm bit made me worry for US/UM.


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AZ_Hunter said:
I think it would be beneficial for all companies to list the most popular cartridge and barrel length combination, considering the trend is shorter barrels (16,18,20”), that way the consumer is more informed about what they are buying, and therefore can set their expectations.
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So, you think a suppressor company should list dBA ratings like this:

20” .308 firing L118 - 133
21” .270 firing Hornady American Whitetail 130-grain, lot #123456

Etc.

The factors that change are too many and the outcomes not different enough.

The measured rating can vary 2-3 dBA from day to day. The dBA ratings are averages with safety margins built in.

The new SAAMI specs for suppressors are a good thing. The TBAC tests are a good thing. Pew’s proprietary tests - while imperfect - are a good thing.

But no testing is ever going to tell you exactly how loud your rifle will sound on a given day in a given situation.


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I understand that.

But 6CM, 6.5CM, 6.5 PRC, 7PRC, 308, 300 PRC are the hotness.

18-20” are the common barrel lengths these days.

It would be nice to see numbers reflecting these common cartridges. More information is always a good thing. It would provide a good overall view of performance.
 
If it makes anyone feel any better about there purchases. Know that I am stuck with a Herwx back when they were OSS and a Gemtech QA.
The Gemtech weighs 21oz and that is AFTER I had Ecco Machine cut the QA off and make it a direct thread.

Besides think of all the beer you rented for a total of 30 mins in your life. Yes. You truly just piss it away and all it did was dehydrated and make you think you could dance.
 
Innovation is going to happen, but I'd be annoyed if I had just bought an OG, then a "way better" can is released only a few short months later.

That being said, US doesn't "owe" OG owners anything - you bought a can with specs that fit your specific needs.
 
RWT said:
If it makes anyone feel any better about there purchases. Know that I am stuck with a Herwx back when they were OSS and a Gemtech QA.
The Gemtech weighs 21oz and that is AFTER I had Ecco Machine cut the QA off and make it a direct thread.

Besides think of all the beer you rented for a total of 30 mins in your life. Yes. You truly just piss it away and all it did was dehydrated and make you think you could dance.
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So true on the huxwrx. I bought an hx-qd 7.62 (18 ounces and barely a suppressor) just months before the flow 7.62, which is 12 ounces and good suppression.
 
Some OG testing I did the same day as my previous videos , the camera is too close to get a good representation of sound like the previous videos , but the muzzle blast is represented well …put in ear buds for the best results

Hyperion k , airlock zero g, OG , Ab raptor 4 w/3” reflex

 
I’m one of those who jumped on the OG then had a butt hurt moment when I heard about the 6.5mm. Mostly bc the two month timeframe. My only use for that can is a 6mm Creed on a 16” barrel and will never come off the rifle. Lighter and quieter? Two months later? Arrr!

That said, I didn’t call UM to ask if they can do anything for me. Like I said it was a butt hurt moment. My take? It’s a learning experience. Be the first and take the risk or always wait a year.

Now I’m seeing the Air Lock, there’s this new OG 6.5, this time around I sit back and wait til people make videos and there’s a consensus about which is best then I’ll buy one. Maybe a year or two. Or I’ll just keep the OG. Bc I don’t need two of them. But do I think UM owes me? Nah.
 
omicron1792 said:
I am a little confused on the shooting multiple fast rounds through a suppressor thing. Is that just to show durability?
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It’s a stress and fatigue test. You need stress and fatigue due to heat (rapid from 5.56mm). Stress and fatigue from volume of gas and unburnt powder (much larger cartridge with shorter barrels than rated for). Etc. Etc.
Besides that Reaper above I also had two others new cans from other companies doing the same thing for.

Companies should know what the real limit of the suppressors they make are. Go down this sub-forum to the “failure on Resilient simple man suppressor” thread, the Scythe thread, even the Airlock thread. I have absolutely nothing against any of those companies. But failures are happening because companies aren’t doing real testing.

I have said since I have been on this forum- the firearm industry is a massive BS machine. They BS and lie about everything they do- or at best just have no idea what they should be doing. When you BS and lie about scopes, you get misses and wounds on animals. When you BS and lie about suppressors, you get broken clavicles, broken orbital sockets, and danger to bystanders.
 
Formidilosus said:
It’s a stress and fatigue test. You need stress and fatigue due to heat (rapid from 5.56mm). Stress and fatigue from volume of gas and unburnt powder (much larger cartridge with shorter barrels than rated for). Etc. Etc.
Besides that Reaper above I also had two others new cans from other companies doing the same thing for.

Companies should know what the real limit of the suppressors they make are. Go down this sub-forum to the “failure on Resilient simple man suppressor” thread, the Scythe thread, even the Airlock thread. I have absolutely nothing against any of those companies. But failures are happening because companies aren’t doing real testing.

I have said since I have been on this forum- the firearm industry is a massive BS machine. They BS and lie about everything they do- or at best just have no idea what they should be doing. When you BS and lie about scopes, you get misses and wounds on animals. When you BS and lie about suppressors, you get broken clavicles, broken orbital sockets, and danger to bystanders.
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Just to be clear there have been no failures on airlocks …
 
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