Scroll up a bit...120 db? Or 120 dbA? For one shot? And where is this standard coming from?
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Scroll up a bit...120 db? Or 120 dbA? For one shot? And where is this standard coming from?
So, the alternative is to damage your ears? That seems to be your complaint about using a suppressor, correct? "Ears ringing" from one shot.Yeah, I’m not wearing hearing protection while hunting. It would have to be in all the time. I can have a fleeting opportunity at a deer from literally the moment I leave the house until I am back inside it. And if I am going to have hearing protection in, then I don’t need to spend $1500 on a suppressor.
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120 db? Or 120 dbA? For one shot? And where is this standard coming from?
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DB (decibel) measures the absolute sound pressure level without considering human hearing sensitivity, while dB(A) is a weighted measurement that adjusts for how humans perceive different frequencies, giving more importance to sounds in the range of human hearing. This makes dB(A) more relevant for assessing noise pollution and potential hearing damage.DBAAA
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Measurement Type | Absolute sound pressure | Adjusted for human hearing |
Frequency Sensitivity | Equal across all frequencies | More sensitive to mid-range |
Common Applications | General sound measurement | Noise pollution, hearing safety |
So, is the OG “hearing safe” or not?
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I took one shot the other day with my Scythe, and my ears rang. Is it hearing safe?
It's all about time and exposure. OSHA specifies 15 minutes at 115 dB.I don’t recall someone saying that you needed to be at 120 db to avoid hearing loss. That is not the OSHA number.
Dude, you are the one selling the OG. Is it hearing safe or not? What is the db rating for the product you are selling?
You aren’t selling the Scythe. The Scythe, for all its faults, is advertised as hearing safe and doesn’t make my ears ring.
You advertised the OG as hearing safe. Then you say that hearing safe requires 120-db reduction. When OSHA defines hearing safe for limited exposure as reducing to 140-dbA.
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Yes, but OSHA hearing safe is 140-dbA for an infrequent event, such as a single explosion. The suppressor is supposed to get that explosion below 140-dbA instead of the ~170 dbA from an unsuppressed shot. In other words, a single unsuppressed shot *could* cause permanent hearing loss. A suppressor is supposed to make a single shot “hearing safe” for one shot in X amount of time (your ears need time to recover). But if you expect to fire more than one shot in X amount of time, then you need to wear hearing protection. Like on the range.
Repeated exposure to even much lower volumes for longer times is also problematic for hearing loss. So, even with a great suppressor on a rimfire, you should be wearing hearing protection for a range session.
So, the alternative is to damage your ears? That seems to be your complaint about using a suppressor, correct? "Ears ringing" from one shot.
Objectively, for the people who genuinely want to protect their hearing from supersonic report, this is a multi tool solution. Voluntarily buying a suppressor knowing what the result will be and CHOOSING to not implement any other hearing protection is only one person's fault.
Yes, but OSHA hearing safe is 140-dbA for an infrequent event, such as a single explosion. The suppressor is supposed to get that explosion below 140-dbA instead of the ~170 dbA from an unsuppressed shot. In other words, a single unsuppressed shot *could* cause permanent hearing loss. A suppressor is supposed to make a single shot “hearing safe” for one shot in X amount of time (your ears need time to recover). But if you expect to fire more than one shot in X amount of time, then you need to wear hearing protection. Like on the range.
Repeated exposure to even much lower volumes for longer times is also problematic for hearing loss. So, even with a great suppressor on a rimfire, you should be wearing hearing protection for a range session.
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...As long as they are properly inserted and fully sealed -- which is somewhat uncommon in the real world.I think most foamies are rated a little over 30 db.
140 dbA isn't necessarily hearing safe even for a single shot. In fact, it likely isn't. ASA has been working with several audiologists for about a decade on suppressor sound testing, and none of them are willing to say that any "dose" is actually safe because there are too many variables in both environmental factors and human physiology.
It seems as though you are not taking into account YOUR ears. They are not calibrated and may have already sustained damage at some point in their life time. Your ears ringing from one shot with an OG doesn’t mean that the properly measured DBA isn’t at what they claim it is.My complaint was that firing one shot from the “hearing safe” OG made my ears ring. My misunderstanding was that “ears ringing” aka tinnitus, was something that only happened above 140-dbA.
that one went right over your head.Dude, you are the one selling the OG. Is it hearing safe or not? What is the db rating for the product you are selling?
You aren’t selling the Scythe. The Scythe, for all its faults, is advertised as hearing safe and doesn’t make my ears ring. The Scythe’s manufacturer rates it at 132.6 dbA. The information in this thread and other threads, lists the OG’s rating as 132-133 dbA. Based upon that, I expected them to be similar. I was surprised when one made my ears ring and the other didn’t. But if both are “hearing safe” for one shot, it’s immaterial.
You advertised the OG as hearing safe. Then you say that hearing safe requires 120-db reduction. When OSHA defines hearing safe for limited exposure as reducing to 140-dbA. So, your responses leave me really wondering.
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My $300 MSA Sordin pro-x muffs are rated at less than 30 db reduction IIRC. So about 170 to 140. I think most foamies are rated a little over 30 db.. So my hearing protection doesn't make it safe to shoot guns either from that perspective.