Man that was sneaky.Try not to ting about it (I'll see myself out)
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Man that was sneaky.Try not to ting about it (I'll see myself out)
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Because trying to use logic and reason with a Texan is a bad idea because you all think you know everything already. You aren't buying one so why are you even in this discussion?Why would you say that?
Perhaps you should do your own calibrated acoustics test and post the results. We would all like to see what you come up with.Good job, getting some measurements!
I do have some setup questions though, as the true peak might be underestimated by the settings. Or the test setup could make the measurements worse.
- Sampling rate and pk rise time?
- What mic?
- Precision Class?
- Calibrate before and after, by any chance?
- Did Lpk really use A-weighting and Fast time response?
- Does the Impulse response work?
- All measurements done w/meter resting on the case? Where was the shooter?
- Acoustic free field? Sorta kinda looks like it, but not enough shown.
- Measurement with no muzzle device, by any chance?
Hate to put you on the spot, but those affect the results and how they should be interpreted. I've never used that meter and don't recognize the brand.
And as you may know, many meters underestimate impulse peaks to begin with, compared to a full blown analyzer/DAQ.
They posted multiple videos on their social media accounts of their destructive testing. Including boring it out to .338 and shooting it with 118 grains of powder on a 33XC. Have yet to see a Scythe do that.... or any other manufacturer. The data and videos have been out there, you just didn't see them.This thread simply baffles me. People post here asking further questions and clearly looking to discuss the product’s merits and the responses range from passive aggressive to outright hostile.
I pre-ordered the OG despite this forum. I think some people need to take a look at what isn’t posted on the US website.
OG – Unknown Suppressors
unknownsuppressors.com
It looks like any other suppressor manufacturer’s website.
Now look at everything US puts on the website about the rigorous testing process:
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Not one mention of how the tests were conducted. No links to pictures, videos, etc. not even a link to the podcasts discussing it. The website is the same kind of bland reassurance as every other suppressor manufacturer’s website. It comes down to “trust us, bro.”
If you only want to market to people who spend all their time on this forum, that is a choice. But when people go looking for the testing methodology, there’s no stickied links to any of this stuff. People are trying to buy a product. Make it easy.
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You obviously know a fraction of what you think you know, but whatever.Because trying to use logic and reason with a Texan is a bad idea because you all think you know everything already. You aren't buying one so why are you even in this discussion?
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If you don’t understand how barriers to entry inhibit competition and inflate prices for consumers, I don’t know what to tell you.
Hearing safe suppressors don’t have to cost $1000. Yes, a titanium hunting can might still be $1000. But I fully expect a lot more cheap suppressors on the market if they become less regulated. And the instant someone wants to take some market share, they can offer a similar product at $950. Over time, many current producers will go out of business to more efficient places. And new ones will enter the market.
I am just guessing, but I imagine that many of these places are making a healthy profit on the cans they currently sell. People expecting to wait months or years for a suppressor don’t mind waiting a month or two for some small shop to sell them. These are niche items right now. The shops aren’t really efficient. Increased sales volume will drive efficiency.
Aluminum and steel suppressors are very common in other countries. That’s a lot easier for anyone to manufacture, a lot cheaper, and I fully expect to see not only DIY types, but lots of small places making them. The technology to make a hearing safe can just isn’t that complicated. A kid could do it in shop class, if it wasn’t illegal. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see steel cans, perfectly suitable for the range, in the $300 range.
In a few years after deregulation, buying a suppressor will be like buying a spare magazine or a new stock or an optic or any other rifle part. Those worth a premium will still be expensive, but only as long as they are worth a premium. And the better cans will tend to be slightly cheaper than they are now.
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Reduced regulations leads to increased supply which leads to decreased costs. Economics 101
Frankly, I’d take further forward balance. Hand carry in front of the (protruding) tikka mags and the balance point for a front rest isn’t on top of the protruding bottom metal.
Nicely done, thanks! This is pretty much exactly what I was looking for.Did my best to measure balance point with the suppressors available to me. I initially tried a rounded trekking pole but couldn’t get them to balance consistently. Using a 1x2 was the next best option I could come up with.
The photos hopefully tell the story well enough. To summarize, the Scythe and the OG balance almost identical even though the OG is 1.5 oz heavier. The much heavier harvester evo pushed the balance point further out. That said, in hand the OG definitely feels more svelte thanks to its smaller diameter and I really do feel like it balances better and points nicer even though the balance point seems to be identical.
Are the relative values useful if the settings were not adjusted between tested cans? Many of us have a signature in mind from first hand experience with the chosen comparison cans.
-J