UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

[JGRaider]

No, I buy a suppressor that is quieter than a braked or non braked rifle and reduces recoil. Recoil reduction is my primary goal, along with many others. If it’s 150 db vs 130 db I don’t care. I’ve hunted with a brake for 15 years and have ear pro on my neck at all times and they will go in regardless of braked, unbraked, or suppressed. If you or anyone doesn’t understand that you’re unaware and ignorant.

Oh we get it alright.......

 

[BLJ]

RokCrok. Kinda figured these would have been day one stuff………..

 

[Jon Boy]

Put a Folgers can on the end and save yourself some money then.


Good suppressors reduce recoil well. But if you just want recoil reduction, shoot a smaller caliber. Or just stick with a brake since you make the following argument:


If you bought a good suppressor you wouldn’t have to do that.


Ah, yes, the “if you disagree you’re dumb” argument. Classic.

Sound like I am alone in wanting something reduces recoil that isn’t as loud as a brake or a rifle with out a muzzle device I didnt call you dumb. Just that you might be unaware that some one might want something different than you. But we probably hunt far different and you can afford a broom stick on your barrel and the inconvenience it causes because I might fire one shot through out a 6 week season due to selectiveness and you must go on massive culling missions

 

[huntnful]

Can someone smarter than me explain how an unbraked can legitimately reduces the recoil other than just the added 10-14oz it adds to the weight of the rifle? Like are there internal baffle designs that reduce more recoil than others? Or is it just a total fallacy and it’s just completely dependent on the additional weight it adds to the rifle and not the suppressor in itself at all?

 

[Reburn]

Can someone smarter than me explain how an unbraked can legitimately reduces the recoil other than just the added 10-14oz it adds to the weight of the rifle? Like are there internal baffle designs that reduce more recoil than others? Or is it just a total fallacy and it’s just completely dependent on the additional weight it adds to the rifle and not the suppressor in itself at all?

It lengthens the pulse. Not so much reduces it. More of a push then a snap.

 

[atmat]

But we probably hunt far different and you can afford a broom stick on your barrel and the inconvenience it causes

It’s not an inconvenience — at least not as much as remembering ear protection is. I keep my rifles to 16”. That means a good suppressor makes it 22”, the new UM can will make it 20”. Big whoop.

 

[Shortschaf]

Can someone smarter than me explain how an unbraked can legitimately reduces the recoil other than just the added 10-14oz it adds to the weight of the rifle? Like are there internal baffle designs that reduce more recoil than others? Or is it just a total fallacy and it’s just completely dependent on the additional weight it adds to the rifle and not the suppressor in itself at all?

Brakes redirect gasses to reduce the net forces in the rearward direction

Suppressors cool and slow down the gasses that leave in the forward direction--so their equal and opposite rearward reaction is reduced

Suppressors also increase the amount of time that the recoil is dispelled. Force over time is energy. Greater time means lower peak force

 

[huntnful]

Brakes redirect gasses to reduce the net forces in the rearward direction

Suppressors cool and slow down the gasses that leave in the forward direction--so their equal and opposite rearward reaction is reduced

Making more sense now. Slowing the gasses that leave the muzzle would reduce recoil as well

 

[Shortschaf]

Making more sense now. Slowing the gasses that leave the muzzle would reduce recoil as well

I editted to add the impact of prolonging the recoil impulse as well. I really cannot say which of those two has the greater impact on recoil reduction. But both would reduce the felt force in theory

 

[huntnful]

I editted to add the impact of prolonging the recoil impulse as well. I really cannot say which of those two has the greater impact on recoil reduction. But both would reduce the felt force in theory

Definitely. Be cool to see a test with an 8” 14oz suppressor and then just an 8” 14oz weight screwed on and see the true differences and recoil reduction of the suppressor design itself.

Muzzle brakes are easy to test and show differences. But I haven’t seen it done with cans.

 

[fwafwow]

We need Rokhard blue pills. Askin’ for a friend.

 

[wyosam]

So we already have

Rokstock
Rokrings (UM tikka)
Rokrifle (Marshall)

Soon to have

Rokcan
Rokscope
Rokaction (UM action)
Rokpak (new backpack)
Rokknob (bolt knob)

Am I missing any?

Roktent?

Additions:
Rokartridge (6um)
Rokbottom (dbm/mag)

Ok, I don’t want to step out of line or further blow anyone’s big secrets, but…

Roksyclean.


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[IrkedCitizen]

Ok, I don’t want to step out of line or further blow anyone’s big secrets, but…

Roksyclean.


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There is no cleaning done around here

 

[wyosam]

I enjoy my raptor 8 with a reflex, but I can’t say that it balances well. Weight of a reflex is definitely preferable to weight past the barrel, but weight is weight. I don’t hunt with the reflex, the can with a flush mount cuts enough noise for me.

heavy. My 8 with a 4” bull barrel reflex is 15 ounces.

Same, no intention of hunting with the reflex in general, other than maybe bear bait close to the boat, or moose. Not carrying it anywhere.


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[Reburn]

We need Rokhard blue pills. Askin’ for a friend.

Ask and you shall receive.
For sure not from ryan though as the red on the package would be neon green.

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[gbflyer]

Ask and you shall receive.
For sure not from ryan though as the red on the package would be neon green.

ROK Hard Gummies

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I sincerely hope that is his business. He needs something to subsidize the cost of dealing with this website.

 

[Marbles]

Do you have yours on a shortish barrel? How does the balance compare between scythe and raptor 8?

Honestly, I'd have a hard time feeling a difference on the balance. My barrels are 16.5 inches and 17 inches, so not long.

 

[ElPollo]

No, I buy a suppressor that is quieter than a braked or non braked rifle and reduces recoil. Recoil reduction is my primary goal, along with many others. If it’s 150 db vs 130 db I don’t care. I’ve hunted with a brake for 15 years and have ear pro on my neck at all times and they will go in regardless of braked, unbraked, or suppressed. If you or anyone doesn’t understand that you’re unaware and ignorant.

Huh?

 

[Shortschaf]

Definitely. Be cool to see a test with an 8” 14oz suppressor and then just an 8” 14oz weight screwed on and see the true differences and recoil reduction of the suppressor design itself.

Muzzle brakes are easy to test and show differences. But I haven’t seen it done with cans.

Ultimate Reloader did some recoil testing with different configs of a certain suppressor.

For example, the 8" suppressor reduced recoil 37%
That 8" suppressor weighs 13.5oz

By comparison, a 13.5oz weight added to a 10lb rifle should only reduce recoil by the exact % of weight that it contributed, or about 8%

Area 419 Maverick Recoil Quantified! (7 configurations) – Ultimate Reloader

ultimatereloader.com

Furthermore, this guy literally has a recoil rig that he tested multiple suppressors on. Took seconds to find on youtube