UM/S2H/Suppressors/Scopes and More!

I use 16” barrels on my rifles, giving an OAL length of 20”… If it hits the big 4 points and it’s <$1000, I will absolutely be buying one. Without hesitation.

Never understood why reflex cans weren’t more popular stateside until someone brought up the point of ARs. That makes more sense.
 
Horrible feeding characteristics and poor factory support killed the wssm cases. The 223 wssm was the only one that truly punched heavily in its caliber class. The 243wssm was just a bit faster than 243, and the 25wssm was easily beaten by the 25-06 which is what they were trying to be quantified against. Idk if 22s on magnum case heads are even necessary. The 22cm rips already, there's always the 22 middlestead which holds 10% more powder than the creed. Once you get up near 57-60gr powder in a 22, things start to get inefficient quickly. Having to go to slow burn rates in small bores starts to cause powder bridging and some really funky stuff can happen with the columns burn characteristics.
I have to agree that the 243 WSSM and 25 WSSM were a really bad idea. The 223 WSSM had potential. It is coyote killer that could have unseated the 22-250 as predator king but for the fat case and feeding issues. I have a Winchester Model 70 in 223 WSSM that I love. It has virtually not recoil and feeds well. Fortunately, I also have over 1,000 rounds of ammo and plenty of brass. Not sure what I will do with the rifle if I ever run out! :)
 
I just have a hard time believing animals are reacting differently to different suppressor "tones". All bullets will have a "crack" if they are supersonic. Does this negate a better tone from 350 yards away?
I just got back from the S2H winter course. I think six people were hammering a rock around 550 yds with 223/6.5 Creed, all suppressed with various cans.
there were several deer within maybe 200 yards of the rock that showed ZERO reaction to any of the shooting. To top it off, we had to find another target when a muley doe decided she needed to investigate the exploding rock. She eventually walked up to 2 feet and circled it trying to wind whatever was making the rock move and make noise.
 
I just got back from the S2H winter course. I think six people were hammering a rock around 550 yds with 223/6.5 Creed, all suppressed with various cans.
there were several deer within maybe 200 yards of the rock that showed ZERO reaction to any of the shooting. To top it off, we had to find another target when a muley doe decided she needed to investigate the exploding rock. She eventually walked up to 2 feet and circled it trying to wind whatever was making the rock move and make noise.
This is what I see also. I understand that Form mentioned the Scythe as one that he's not impressed with but from my experience in normal hunting scenarios, animals allow multiple kills if all hunters are shooting suppressed in the vast majority of circumstances. almost no matter the suppressor.

Again NORMAL hunting, not attempting to eliminate an entire herd in a crop field. A couple of hunters trying to fill couple of tags.

I shot a doe with my 6ARC with a Scythe last year after my son had killed another doe in the same herd. She walked back into the meadow about 5 minutes after the initial kill, after running off when the first doe killed did a backflip into a creek. My wife and other son were about 100 yards from me when I shot the doe in the head. They didn't hear the gunshot at all but did hear the bullet impact the head. That was pretty eye opening to me. 100 yards of mixed brush virtually totally muffled the Scythe suppressed 6ARC to human ears.
 
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