Ultralight Ultralight Rifles

[Thegman]

It seems I've seen some reports of the 88 not working very well in comparison to the 80. I can't remember if there's been some that didn't open at all or if it was just minimal deformation.

They have worked great for Khntr and I was hoping the 88s would trade some internal damage for penetration and bigger exits with blood trails.

They did provide more of a 2"+ "bore hole" through their penetration and killed fine, but exits weren't large, typically caliber size so no difference in blood trails relative to 77TMK, on my small deer/hog sample anyway.

On one hog the penetration was fairly shallow. Took out upper lungs and spine, with that "bore hole" penetration, but I was surprised that it didn't seem to penetrate to the far side. There probably wasn't any more than 12" of hog to penetrate with that shot, but I saw no signs it made to the far side when I cut it up.

Starting velocity was around 2,560 and shots ranged from 100 to around 225 yards (hog mentioned above was that 200 some yard shot).

Maybe 80 ELD-X would punch through a little better (??), but all of those 75 and up ELDs seem to be a little tricky to get to work at AR lengths with AR throats.

 

[Trackselk]

They have worked great for Khntr and I was hoping the 88s would trade some internal damage for penetration and bigger exits with blood trails.

They did provide more of a 2"+ "bore hole" through their penetration and killed fine, but exits weren't large, typically caliber size so no difference in blood trails relative to 77TMK, on my small deer/hog sample anyway.

On one hog the penetration was fairly shallow. Took out upper lungs and spine, with that "bore hole" penetration, but I was surprised that it didn't seem to penetrate to the far side. There probably wasn't any more than 12" of hog to penetrate with that shot, but I saw no signs it made to the far side when I cut it up.

Starting velocity was around 2,560 and shots ranged from 100 to around 225 yards (hog mentioned above was that 200 some yard shot).

Maybe 80 ELD-X would punch through a little better (??), but all of those 75 and up ELDs seem to be a little tricky to get to work at AR lengths with AR throats.

I'm enjoying my 5.56 chamber length throat, and might even go longer for the 79gr bullets I have in route. 2.36"+ COAL is easy with the AR and a "windowed" mag. FWIW

 

[Thegman]

I'm enjoying my 5.56 chamber length throat, and might even go longer for the 79gr bullets I have in route. 2.36"+ COAL is easy with the AR and a "windowed" mag. FWIW

I'm loading to 2.318" with my mags and need to window one as well. The 75, 80 and 88 ELD-M still have a huge jump at 2.36. My 88s don't touch the lands until around 2.5" in my Wylde chamber and I think the ojive is still in the case neck at 2.36". With neck sized cases, crimp, and 2.318", some bullets were still getting jammed into the cases under recoil. Back to the drawing board on those...

 

[Trackselk]

I'm loading to 2.318" with my mags and need to window one as well. The 75, 80 and 88 ELD-M still have a huge jump at 2.36. My 88s don't touch the lands until around 2.5" in my Wylde chamber and I think the ojive is still in the case neck at 2.36". With neck sized cases, crimp, and 2.318", some bullets were still getting jammed into the cases under recoil. Back to the drawing board on those...

Interesting, I think Kyle or someone got right about 2.4 with the 77s, but can't remember which lower that was. I hope I don't have to do any surgery to make the 79gr drt fit which I have on the way finally. 2.36 works well with the Tennessee arms lower without cutting anything, maybe a little longer would work

 

[Thegman]

Interesting, I think Kyle or someone got right about 2.4 with the 77s, but can't remember which lower that was. I hope I don't have to do any surgery to make the 79gr drt fit which I have on the way finally. 2.36 works well with the Tennessee arms lower without cutting anything, maybe a little longer would work

Yeah, for whatever reason, I also don't want to cut on a lower and upper at this point to go longer than ~2.36". That's going to be my self-imposed limit for now as well.