Training for The Uphill Athlete Scott Johnston New Hunting Podcast

[mtnbound]

Hypothetical, just trying to figure in some light pack work throughout the year.
Would save heavier pack work until closer to the hunt.

Ok, then that would be fine but at that weight you would not be doing ME work.

 

[Truck24hr]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

 

[mtnbound]

Hard to say, you have a touch under 3% and the test is only 40 minutes. Looking at the trend another 20 minutes could have put your drift too high.

I would rerun the test with a full hour. But if you don't want to, you will probably be fine using 137 bpm.


It depends on you. I can hold lactate threshold with 90 pounds for an hour on the stairmaster and my legs feel fine. 125 starts to make my legs be what slows my pace down.

So, do it and see what limits you. If your legs don't limit your pace, then add weight until they do.

Scott says don't worry about HR (edit during ME), but an hour of zone 4 trashes my training for the week, so I do make sure my rate is not climbing too high.

I’m not sure where he states to ignore HR.
Quotes from the book.

“While nose breathing is not a perfect physiological marker, it will help you keep the intensity in check. Your goal with this technique is a feeling of distinct fatigue in your legs even at relatively low heart rates. If you are able to hike fast enough to get short of breath, you need to add more weight or pick a steeper hill.”
“The point is to have your rate of climb be limited by your legs, not by your breathing.”

 

[Marbles]

I’m not sure where he states to ignore HR.
Quotes from the book.

“While nose breathing is not a perfect physiological marker, it will help you keep the intensity in check. Your goal with this technique is a feeling of distinct fatigue in your legs even at relatively low heart rates. If you are able to hike fast enough to get short of breath, you need to add more weight or pick a steeper hill.”
“The point is to have your rate of climb be limited by your legs, not by your breathing.”

"Disregard heart rate in these ME workouts."

Muscular Endurance: All You Need to Know

Over the past 20 years I’ve written and spoken many thousands of words about Muscular Endurance training. Both Training for the New Alpinism and Training for the Uphill Athlete have entire sections of the book devoted to the topic. Articles like Vertical Beast Mode that remain on UphillAthlete.com.

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From the first paragraph in the section titled "How Much Weight".

He has also said it on multiple podcasts.

 

[mtnbound]

"Disregard heart rate in these ME workouts."

Muscular Endurance: All You Need to Know

Over the past 20 years I’ve written and spoken many thousands of words about Muscular Endurance training. Both Training for the New Alpinism and Training for the Uphill Athlete have entire sections of the book devoted to the topic. Articles like Vertical Beast Mode that remain on UphillAthlete.com.

evokeendurance.com

From the first paragraph in the section titled "How Much Weight".

He has also said it on multiple podcasts.

I believe you are misunderstanding what he means by "disregard HR". HR is not a factor in ME workouts, as he states, "While nose breathing is not a perfect physiological marker, it will help you keep the intensity in check. Your goal with this technique is a feeling of distinct fatigue in your legs even at relatively low heart rates." He also states " heavy-legs-while-going-easy feeling."

 

[Marbles]

I believe you are misunderstanding what he means by "disregard HR". HR is not a factor in ME workouts, as he states, "While nose breathing is not a perfect physiological marker, it will help you keep the intensity in check. Your goal with this technique is a feeling of distinct fatigue in your legs even at relatively low heart rates." He also states " heavy-legs-while-going-easy feeling."

Which book?

I do not see what you quote or any discussion of nose breathing during ME in Training for the Uphill Athlete. Ok, found in Training for the New Alpinism page 235.

Nose breathing=below aerobic threshold=Zone 2 and below. See page 65 of New Alpinism.

It is nonsensical to say adhere to only using one method of monitoring and the other is not a factor when both assess the same thing.

In more recent material he doesn't talk about nose breathing, only that breathing shouldn't be what limits you. Perhaps because in ME for runners and Skimo the focus is different, or perhaps because he learned more later.

He also discussed in New Alpinism on page 235 pushing the pase "to the point of breakaway breathing".

Anyway, I have repeatedly shown myself to be incapable of using breathing to effectively modulate my training.