Tipping

[FAAFO]

Haven't read any posts in this thread but saw it was tipping in the sheep forum.

Stay with cow tipping. Big horn sheep tipping sounds dangerous potentially. Leave it alone guy.

3/10. I would have went the route of giving someone just the tip joke.

 

[SW hunter]

One thing that sinks a tip fast?
The guide s*** talking past clients. Making fun of guys missing shots or bringing stupid gear or expensive gun or not tipping enough or being in lousy shape or being from X state or being wealthy or dumb or inexperienced.

What are you gonna being saying about me in 2 weeks? Youre gonna be s*** talking me so why should I go out of my way to be generous to a guy like that? I’ll make sure to give him enough money to cover his fuel.

I think it should also work in the opposite direction. Why should a guide go above and beyond for a client that just s*** talks the last 3 guides he used? He knows, regardless of what he does, he is going to be the next name you drag through the mud.

Sorry I got so far off the trail here.

 

[the hack]

One thing that sinks a tip fast?
The guide s*** talking past clients. Making fun of guys missing shots or bringing stupid gear or expensive gun or not tipping enough or being in lousy shape or being from X state or being wealthy or dumb or inexperienced.

What are you gonna being saying about me in 2 weeks? Youre gonna be s*** talking me so why should I go out of my way to be generous to a guy like that? I’ll make sure to give him enough money to cover his fuel.

I think it should also work in the opposite direction. Why should a guide go above and beyond for a client that just s*** talks the last 3 guides he used? He knows, regardless of what he does, he is going to be the next name you drag through the mud.

Sorry I got so far off the trail here.

Experienced this the last year. Was surprised when the outfitter/guide s*** talked the previous client, a guy I told him I knew, and ripped on the other hunter in camp. Not surprisingly, this behavior tracked with poor logistics, prep and scouting. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

 

[alaska_bou]

Hahaha it was a joke, lighten up Francis

Maybe you should focus on posting up the outfitters you claim saying 15% is the norm for tipping

Here is one:

How Much Should I Tip? | Huntin' Fool

The Huntin' Fool is your guide to western big game hunting, tag services, and consulting by providing the finest Hunter Services Program in the world.

www.huntinfool.com

And another from Montana guide:
All hunts are fair chase. We will need to see your Montana hunting or fishing licenses and we will need to fill out liability release forms before you begin hunting. Please bring your necessary personal hunting equipment and be prepared for any kind of weather. We require you carry bear spray in the field. Gratuities are not included in the price of your hunt. Guide tips average 10% to 20% of the hunt price. The Camp cook keeps us all well fed and the Lodge in order. Please inform the cook of any dietary issues. Tips for the cook and camp tender average $100+. Enjoy your hunt and thank you for your business!

And another one from Trail's West Outfitters:
Tips or Gratuities are not included in the price of the pack trip or hunt. All of our guides, cooks and wranglers work hard to assist our hunters and clients where ever possible and appreciate all gratuities. Traditional tipping today is based on 10%-20% of trip costs. Each hunter/client should tip based on his/her satisfaction of their wilderness/hunt experience.
And another:

How Much to Tip a Hunting Guide » Outdoors International

Because hunting guides are part of the service industry, it is customary, but not always expected, that a guide receives a gratuity from the client.

outdoors-international.com

And another one:

Tipping your Fishing Guide ~ Living Water Guides

Tipping your Fishing Guide. Tipping your guide is a way to show your appreciation for their hard work and dedication.

livingwaterguide.com

Should I really keep going?

 

[FAAFO]

Here is one:

How Much Should I Tip? | Huntin' Fool

The Huntin' Fool is your guide to western big game hunting, tag services, and consulting by providing the finest Hunter Services Program in the world.

www.huntinfool.com

And another from Montana guide:
All hunts are fair chase. We will need to see your Montana hunting or fishing licenses and we will need to fill out liability release forms before you begin hunting. Please bring your necessary personal hunting equipment and be prepared for any kind of weather. We require you carry bear spray in the field. Gratuities are not included in the price of your hunt. Guide tips average 10% to 20% of the hunt price. The Camp cook keeps us all well fed and the Lodge in order. Please inform the cook of any dietary issues. Tips for the cook and camp tender average $100+. Enjoy your hunt and thank you for your business!

And another one from Trail's West Outfitters:
Tips or Gratuities are not included in the price of the pack trip or hunt. All of our guides, cooks and wranglers work hard to assist our hunters and clients where ever possible and appreciate all gratuities. Traditional tipping today is based on 10%-20% of trip costs. Each hunter/client should tip based on his/her satisfaction of their wilderness/hunt experience.
And another:

How Much to Tip a Hunting Guide » Outdoors International

Because hunting guides are part of the service industry, it is customary, but not always expected, that a guide receives a gratuity from the client.

outdoors-international.com

And another one:

Tipping your Fishing Guide ~ Living Water Guides

Tipping your Fishing Guide. Tipping your guide is a way to show your appreciation for their hard work and dedication.

livingwaterguide.com

Should I really keep going?

Ummm you need to read them again. They all say 10%+. Show me ones starting at 15% like you claimed. You couldn’t even come up with ONE example of it being 15%+. You’re “in the industry”? Booking a semi guided hunt with renfros doesn’t put you in the industry.

You’re reaching far. And no results. How much time you investing in this? Are you expecting a tip? I’ll give you the tip….

 

[alaska_bou]

Ummm you need to read them again. They all say 10%+. Show me ones starting at 15% like you claimed. You couldn’t even come up with ONE example of it being 15%+. You’re “in the industry”? Booking a semi guided hunt with renfros doesn’t put you in the industry.

You’re reaching far. And no results. How much time you investing in this? Are you expecting a tip? I’ll give you the tip….

When every one of the above examples suggests 10% to 20%, it doesn't take a genius to average those numbers.

You are totally right, I must not be in the industry, and I must not have been on over 50 guided hunts on every continent over the last 20 years, so clearly you know better than I do

 

[WVELK]

Ummm you need to read them again. They all say 10%+. Show me ones starting at 15% like you claimed. You couldn’t even come up with ONE example of it being 15%+. You’re “in the industry”? Booking a semi guided hunt with renfros doesn’t put you in the industry.

You’re reaching far. And no results. How much time you investing in this? Are you expecting a tip? I’ll give you the tip….

I was not going to post, but I think FAAFO should hear this. A little background, I have went on a $shit ton of guided hunts since 1996. I hate the fact, that people like FAAFO have lost complete sight of the fact that tipping should be based on the quality of service provided, and not a simple mathmatical calculation. I am historically a very good tipper in all industries where tipping is customary, AND where the service provided exceeds the client’s (that would be me) expecations. I have tipped more than the cost of the hunt on more than one occassion. I have tipped $500 on a $20,000 elk hunt. You need to talk to your outfitter and your guide and acess everyone’s expectations going into the hunt. I have had outfitters tell me a guide probably did not deserve more than $500, and I have had outfitters tell me before the hunt that their guides always get 15 - 20 percent (I call bull$hit on that one). I have saved a guides life on a hunt because he was the most incompetent outdoorsman I have ever been around - didn’t tip him - thought I had done enough already. I have beeen on brown bear hunts where the guides base pay was $1,000 a day for a 16 day hunt. That is a great base pay, but he also got a better tip because he was one of the best guides I have ever seen (and, I literally have been around hundreds of guides). My point is communicate before the hunt with the outfitter and guide to see what each expects, tell them what you expect from the hunt, ask what they will provide, then evaluate the quality of the servcie provided. And, yes I have had guides ask me for equipment and not cash, but generally cash is king that is true.

However, in my experience far too many young guides have gone the way of our country the last 30 years. They want to do less, expect more and appear to be “entitled” in general. I have a lot of very close friends that are outfitters. The crap they have to put up with regards to guides these days is off the chart. Asking a guide to remain drug fee while taking a client on a hunt should be a BARE MINIMUM not an “unreasonable request”. In my opinion, if you are guiding to make money you need to stop - today. If you are a great guide you deserve a great tip, no doubt. However, if you go into guiding not for the love of the outdoors and the opportunity to help a hunter grasp his or her dreams, but for the money you need to stop guiding. Get your a$$ back into school where you can get an education and a job that is all about making money. Guiding is not all about making money. And, in case you are wondering, I guided many hunts in my 20s and like another guide noted above, I was out there for the experience and was glad to get whatever I received. I once guided a Saudi prince on a hunt, and did not recieve a dime as a tip because he was against tipping. I was fine with that, and we had a great time. I will end by saying the hunter that has the money and claims he forgot cash and stiffs a good guide is worse than the young guide who just shows up does the bare minimum and says he deserves 10 percent for showing up.

 

[FAAFO]

I was not going to post, but I think FAAFO should hear this. A little background, I have went on a $shit ton of guided hunts since 1996. I hate the fact, that people like FAAFO have lost complete sight of the fact that tipping should be based on the quality of service provided, and not a simple mathmatical calculation. I am historically a very good tipper in all industries where tipping is customary, AND where the service provided exceeds the client’s (that would be me) expecations. I have tipped more than the cost of the hunt on more than one occassion. I have tipped $500 on a $20,000 elk hunt. You need to talk to your outfitter and your guide and acess everyone’s expectations going into the hunt. I have had outfitters tell me a guide probably did not deserve more than $500, and I have had outfitters tell me before the hunt that their guides always get 15 - 20 percent (I call bull$hit on that one). I have saved a guides life on a hunt because he was the most incompetent outdoorsman I have ever been around - didn’t tip him - thought I had done enough already. I have beeen on brown bear hunts where the guides base pay was $1,000 a day for a 16 day hunt. That is a great base pay, but he also got a better tip because he was one of the best guides I have ever seen (and, I literally have been around hundreds of guides). My point is communicate before the hunt with the outfitter and guide to see what each expects, tell them what you expect from the hunt, ask what they will provide, then evaluate the quality of the servcie provided. And, yes I have had guides ask me for equipment and not cash, but generally cash is king that is true.

However, in my experience far too many young guides have gone the way of our country the last 30 years. They want to do less, expect more and appear to be “entitled” in general. I have a lot of very close friends that are outfitters. The crap they have to put up with regards to guides these days is off the chart. Asking a guide to remain drug fee while taking a client on a hunt should be a BARE MINIMUM not an “unreasonable request”. In my opinion, if you are guiding to make money you need to stop - today. If you are a great guide you deserve a great tip, no doubt. However, if you go into guiding not for the love of the outdoors and the opportunity to help a hunter grasp his or her dreams, but for the money you need to stop guiding. Get your a$$ back into school where you can get an education and a job that is all about making money. Guiding is not all about making money. And, in case you are wondering, I guided many hunts in my 20s and like another guide noted above, I was out there for the experience and was glad to get whatever I received. I once guided a Saudi prince on a hunt, and did not recieve a dime as a tip because he was against tipping. I was fine with that, and we had a great time. I will end by saying the hunter that has the money and claims he forgot cash and stiffs a good guide is worse than the young guide who just shows up does the bare minimum and says he deserves 10 percent for showing up.

Ummm I think you’re confused on my position on tipping. Here’s something I posted earlier:

“Your guide may not be worth the minimum of 10%. But he may be worth a lot more. Plan accordingly”

Key in on the may not part. The part I was arguing was with someone claiming outfitters are saying 15% is the minimum for tipping. Which I do not agree with.

I didn’t read the entirety of your post but I’ll get to it. May come back and edit my post.

Have a great day!

 

[voltage]

I once had a guide tell a story about a past client who the guide said he went above and beyond for, and the client "only tipped 10%". I often think about what he says about me for only tipping 10%.