Tipping

[WVELK]

Overtipping? Hahahahahahahahahaha

Yes, if you over tip a tracker in Africa you may get him killed. You know I have yet to hear a single peep from you about anything related to your experience as a guide other than you always get more than 10 percent as a tip, and 10 percent is a minimum. I am starting to think you are a 47 year old virgin living in your mother’s basement bouncing back and forth from video games to this forum????

 

[medvedyt]

tipping is complex ... and some mentionned the demographic try to explain that to an european customer which is used to no extra service as the service is already paid ...

when i was guiding some guides were clever and put a letter/poster of what they expected from the clients as extra ... needless to say that i removed that and as many clients were curious/scared about it it was part of the briefing with the crew and latter on with the clients. tips is not an obligation at all and i d like to add that any hunter paying for a hunt should remove that pressure from their shoulders and enjoy the hunt ...

when i was an outfitter as well i explained to my staff that tips are extra and cannot be beg and no amount expected ...

im coming from europe that is certainly a good reason and been in canada for only almost 20 years now ...

 

[WVELK]

Hahahahhahaa go check your blood pressure old man!

My friend, one should not assume much of anything. My blood pressure could not be lower. I find true enjoyment in watching ignorance, arrogance and stupidity unite and land in one location. I really don’t care if you have ever guided so much as a chipmunk hunt. But, if you have ever worked as a guide or even have a friend who is a guide, you should realize that you are not helping the guide community in the least. A great guide is helpful. A great guide is humble. A great guide is knowledgable. A great guide is experienced. A great guide is respectful. A great guide is appreciative of the opportunity to represent the hunting and fishing community in a favorable light. What statement, if any, have you made in this thread that would even suggest that you check any of those boxes?

I think you should guide me on a hunt, then you can see if I am old, feeble or a poor outdoorsman. And, in turn I can see if you deserve a 10 percent tip, or more. In the meantime, I will pray for your tonight as you seem to have a lot to learn, or you are very troubled. Take care,

 

[idig4au]

If you can afford a sheep hunt at these current prices and all the incidental costs of the hunt, then I’m sure you can afford to give an appropriate tip to the guide and other staff.

If complaining about tipping on such a hunt, then shouldn’t be going on it. It’s really that simple

 

[DavidMark]

I agree that if you can afford the hunt you should be able to provide the appropriate tip.

My convo with my ole man was actually tipping for a less expensive hunt. I have an ibex hunt in Kazakhstan this October and paid extra to have the guide/owner of the outfit which i booked through (did not book directly with local outfit) to guide me. I want to avoid local guides trying to get me to shoot the first ibex we see and to be able to have clear communication during the trip.

Now I will talk to the outfitter about this but it's him guiding and will also have a local guide and packer. We'll I can see a 10% tip being a bit on the cheap side but am i suppose to tip the other guide 10% or less like an assistant guide? Just an uncertain situation that i haven't been in before.

 

[mtwarden]

Best tip for guides:

Stop posting opinions on forums.

 

[WVELK]

I like taking old men. They are the best clients. Sounds like you’re a snowflake and that’s ok. We can handle those too!

Be safe out there. Spring bear real soon!

Great, when are we leaving? What will we be hunting? Give me some information there Mr. Guide.

 

[WVELK]

I am out right now getting ready. Just picked up this bad boy, can I really go with it. So excited I just wet myself - aging bladder and all. In case you are wondering, I would be referred to as a “whale”. You land me as a client, and you don’t need any other clients. I come with a NetJet lease so we can hunt all over. Best thing for you is that in my geriatric state we will likely only get one great hunt in before I die. When I do you will get everything in the will as a tip.

 

[WalterH]

And here I thought this thread was going to be about the newly evolved sport of sheep tipping. Back to cow tipping for now I guess...

 

[juju]

Tipping buys welcome. If you want to be welcomed back you need to pay what that costs. 10% big ticket, goes up for smaller ticket. The which is stupid, but then tipping is stupid.

When in doubt, just ask. Most times I've asked, I've got a straight answer. I do have a sensitive BS-o-meter. (Because I am a bit of a BS-er myself.)

I've had a guide drool over stuff I couldn't give due to sentimental value. It wasn't just one thing either. And he seemed disappointed, though graciously so, by cash. So there is at least one who didn't prefer cash.

 

[cbeard64]

The “10%” trope is no longer realistic at today’s hunt prices.
A guide on a great elk hunt gets $1000 bucks while a guide on a Stone sheep hunt gets $10,000 just because he works for an outfit that happens to be able to charge $100K for a hunt?
That makes absolutely no sense.
I have tipped my sheep guides well into 4 figures but nowhere near 5 figures. Sometimes that’s been 10% (or more) of the hunt cost and sometimes less. I also always tip wranglers, cooks, etc. All seemed super happy and appreciative. Almost all are still friends to this day.

And, yes, I have had guides on hunts directly ask me for part of my gear as a tip at hunts end. Sometimes I gave it and sometimes I didn’t (depending on what it was).

 

[cuerro viejo]

The “10%” trope is no longer realistic at today’s hunt prices.
A guide on a great elk hunt gets $1000 bucks while a guide on a Stone sheep hunt gets $10,000 just because he works for an outfit that happens to be able to charge $100K for a hunt?
That makes absolutely no sense.
I have tipped my sheep guides well into 4 figures but nowhere near 5 figures. Sometimes that’s been 10% (or more) of the hunt cost and sometimes less. I also always tip wranglers, cooks, etc. All seemed super happy and appreciative. Almost all are still friends to this day.

And, yes, I have had guides on hunts directly ask me for part of my gear as a tip at hunts end. Sometimes I gave it and sometimes I didn’t (depending on what it was).

If you are on a 100k Bighorn, stone etc sheep hunt, there will probably be more than one guide. Usually a team. You may only be hunting everyday with one but there are multiple reporting in. 10k /5 is 1-2k a piece depending how you break it out amongst the team.

 

[cbeard64]

If you are on a 100k Bighorn, stone etc sheep hunt, there will probably be more than one guide. Usually a team. You may only be hunting everyday with one but there are multiple reporting in. 10k /5 is 1-2k a piece depending how you break it out amongst the team.

I agree with what you are saying - to a point. The 100K hunt cost is what buys that “team”.

I have all four sheep and have never had more than I guide and a wrangler with me. With a cook at base camp. On the last hunt there were other guys out scouting/looking on the last few days of a 21 day hunt since their hunter had tagged out. I tipped them of course, but not as much as the guys who were with me for 3 weeks.

Each situation is unique so I judge them accordingly.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I agree with what you are saying - to a point. The 100K hunt cost is what buys that “team”.

I have all four sheep and have never had more than I guide and a wrangler with me. With a cook at base camp. On the last hunt there were other guys out scouting/looking on the last few days of a 21 day hunt since their hunter had tagged out. I tipped them of course, but not as much as the guys who were with me for 3 weeks.

Each situation is unique so I judge them accordingly.

RMBH we had 4,
DBHS had 3,
Dall had technically had 3 , 1 and then 2
Stone is Aug,

 

[WRO]

Are you saying guides make more than minimum wage?

I think he’s saying he’s got 0 experience in the industry, but is trying to sound like his opinion matters.


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[WRO]

Very out of touch I guess, How are guides wages based. Do they get a flat fee from the outfitter and then rely on tips to pay the bills? Just trying to add other views to the topic... Joe

I usually get day rates and pay day rates between 2-300 plus fuel and food, no pay for travel days and typically it’s set amount for the hunt.


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[Pokerface]

I think he’s saying he’s got 0 experience in the industry, but is trying to sound like his opinion matters.


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Correct, zero experience in guiding for wages. My opinion does matter but will not argue to point...Joe

 

[Pokerface]

I usually get day rates and pay day rates between 2-300 plus fuel and food, no pay for travel days and typically it’s set amount for the hunt.


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Sounds like a good livable wage for some. Thank you for your experienced input... Joe

 

[WRO]

Sounds like a good livable wage for some. Thank you for your experienced input... Joe

It’s all contract so by the time you take out taxes and the shit you break or wear out, it’s not a living but it’s fun.

 

[Clarktar]

I never expect a tip. Other guys I work with raise there eyebrows at anything less than 4 figures.

I find not expecting it makes anything I get seem fine. You know, the whole key to happiness is low expectations of others.

Wife gets the tips anyway.