Tikka actions vs Custom Actions

[Marbles]

Custom and this isn’t a contest imo, why start with a budget bad design imo when in a custom you can have a premium well designed action. The recoil lug design is the Achilles heel to all these modern so called factory rifles. It’s a cheap money savings design to curb materials and cut cost. If tikka would simply use a Remington type recoil lug, and Sako, and benelli, and Sauer, and most all euros, then that solves it for me and I’d have no problem with any of them, especially tikka with the aftermarket support.

There is a difference between aesthetic preference and an Achilles heel. There is also a difference between a "cheap money savings design" and an Achilles heel.

Can you share stories of failures to feed/fire or NDs related to the recoil lug? Something not easily correctable and not possible with a lug attached to the action?

 

[Bowfinn]

My first "custom" was on a Bighorn. It went click a few times trying to deal dirt naps.

I now have two Rokslide specials and about to put together a third.

Apparently it's normal for Remmy and Remmy clones to go click and not bang if the trigger gets dirty or icy. Or go bang when you don't want anything.

My friend found this out when his 700 trigger froze up on him in freezing rain/snow conditions a couple years ago. Now he hunts with a tikka.

 

[Formidilosus]

I don’t know what yall are talking about. These “custom” 700 based actions are so bad ass- it’s not like they fail with even a smudge of dust…..

 

[JFK]

The industry is too far down the rem 700 road to admit they hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.

 

[SanAntonioShooter]

So it’s true that all Tikka T3X prefits will fit the Sako A7?


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[Hondo64d]

I don’t know what yall are talking about. These “custom” 700 based actions are so bad ass- it’s not like they fail with even a smudge of dust…..

What action and what trigger?

John

 

[TheSBW]

A man, famous for the parts he sells, and rich enough that he could shoot anything he might want, once told me (Paraphrasing slightly ) "if the government is paying get a TRG, if you're paying get a T3"

 

[Formidilosus]

What action and what trigger?

John

Bat Hammerhead, and Geissele Super 700 in two-stage mode.

But it’s doesn’t matter- they all do it. I have 5 “custom” R700’s in the trailer- none of them go more than a hundred rounds or so between problems when actually being used in the field. Ironically, the most reliable R700 pattern guns… are actually Remington 700 factory actions.

 

[TheSBW]

So it’s true that all Tikka T3X prefits will fit the Sako A7?

Ive been told that too

 

[Judd]

Serious question, do you all clean your rifles? I've used my rifles in the south/west/central dirt/dust of Texas and OK and on Rangers/CanAms for week to 10 day hunts and I've never had a "smidge" of grime like that. If they look like ass, odds are they need cleaned. That rifle needed cleaned days/weeks before it failed in the video...jus sayin'

 

[Marbles]

Serious question, do you all clean your rifles? I've used my rifles in the south/west/central dirt/dust of Texas and OK and on Rangers/CanAms for week to 10 day hunts and I've never had a "smidge" of grime like that. If they look like ass, odds are they need cleaned. That rifle needed cleaned days/weeks before it failed in the video...jus sayin'

I disassemble my tikka bolts maybe once a year. I have literally tossed them out of boats into mud and rinsed in the river. Or had a dying hog kick mud all over the action and sprayed it with a hose as the only cleaning.

If you need to baby a rifle, it is a toy, not a tool...jus sayin'

 

[glock233]

Serious question, do you all clean your rifles? I've used my rifles in the south/west/central dirt/dust of Texas and OK and on Rangers/CanAms for week to 10 day hunts and I've never had a "smidge" of grime like that. If they look like ass, odds are they need cleaned. That rifle needed cleaned days/weeks before it failed in the video...jus sayin'

Cleaning does help R700 actions. But they’re shit-tier reliability either way.

 

[Formidilosus]

Serious question, do you all clean your rifles? I've used my rifles in the south/west/central dirt/dust of Texas and OK and on Rangers/CanAms for week to 10 day hunts and I've never had a "smidge" of grime like that.

A week to 10 days is hard use?
I barely had a black mark on my finger from where I wiped it.

If they look like ass, odds are they need cleaned. That rifle needed cleaned days/weeks before it failed in the video...jus sayin'

It doesn’t matter. Sako’s, Winchester M70’s, Tikka, Sauer, etc. all handle just fine what makes R700’s fail, and mechanical issues are extremely rare with them.

 

[Timberline001]

Serious question, do you all clean your rifles? I've used my rifles in the south/west/central dirt/dust of Texas and OK and on Rangers/CanAms for week to 10 day hunts and I've never had a "smidge" of grime like that. If they look like ass, odds are they need cleaned. That rifle needed cleaned days/weeks before it failed in the video...jus sayin'

I clean my tikkas when the barrel burns out or I’m bored. Probably every 1000-1500 rds

 

[Judd]

A week to 10 days is hard use?
I barely had a black mark on my finger from where I wiped it.




It doesn’t matter. Sako’s, Winchester M70’s, Tikka, Sauer, etc. all handle but just fine and mechanical issues are extremely rare.

I didn’t say anything about hard use, but they get plenty dust and grime in them…it’s about as long as a guy with a regular 9-5 can hunt/be out there without having to go home and be around cleaning supplies.

I’d rather clean and baby my rifles than have to run one of those. I also get you’re in the testing to find failure business and respect the hell outta that. The fact you just wiped it off and it started working, proves my point…it really needed cleaned.

 

[Timberline001]

I didn’t say anything about hard use, but they get plenty dust and grime in them…it’s about as long as a guy with a regular 9-5 can hunt/be out there without having to go home and be around cleaning supplies.

I’d rather clean and baby my rifles than have to run one of those. I also get you’re in the testing to find failure business and respect the hell outta that. The fact you just wiped it off and it started working, proves my point…it really needed cleaned.

Why would you rather baby a more expensive action than shoot a tikka action?

 

[SanAntonioShooter]

Ive been told that too

Thanks. Guess only one way to know


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[Formidilosus]

I didn’t say anything about hard use, but they get plenty dust and grime in them…it’s about as long as a guy with a regular 9-5 can hunt/be out there without having to go home and be around cleaning supplies.

I’d rather clean and baby my rifles than have to run one of those.

So you choose to use a widely less reliable, more finicky, more expensive action that also bolt binds- that you have to baby… for why?

I also get you’re in the testing to find failure business and respect the hell outta that.

More like I’m in the “actually use things in real life” business because they are tools to accomplish a job. Things need to work with the minimum amount of fuss- if two items do the same thing, but one is more reliable: I’m choosing that one.

The fact you just wiped it off and it started working, proves my point…it really needed cleaned.

If your car didn’t start because the starter needed wiped down every hundred miles, would you- “say that’s ok, just needs to be cleaned?”

In the S2H courses, with 200’ish participants now, and 20-30% using them- not a single R700 based rifle has made it through a single week of use without constant problems. I don’t even remember a single one (besides mine) making it through the first day. When we hunt with perfectly clean rifles- when one goes down, it’s going to be a R700 based custom action.

(Yes I know there are people that will retort with “I’ve hunted 20 years and never ever had an issue). Yes, I’m sure you have. I also have- and do, use R700 based platforms a lot. Including hunting with them. They are widely more susceptible to failure than almost any other action/rifle system.

 

[Xycod]

There is a difference between aesthetic preference and an Achilles heel. There is also a difference between a "cheap money savings design" and an Achilles heel.

Can you share stories of failures to feed/fire or NDs related to the recoil lug? Something not easily correctable and not possible with a lug attached to the action?

I can share deformed recoil lugs made of aluminum and I can share upgrading to steel and still having multiple 375h&hs in 85s having issues, recoil lugs getting loose in the bedding in laminate stocks and losing accuracy, also ejection issues with brass falling down in the port during a hunt and having a failure to close an action.

Look man like what you like, don’t care, the quality is fine, it’s just the money savings design that gets me on something’s so simple that shouldn’t be. Hell, even tikka says it in their own ads about the original t3 and how their t3x is better with the steel.

Again it’s not about quality, the new tikkas, s20s, and trg type notch cut actions are fine in a metal chassis, even with larger calibers and high round counts. No issues, only in wood/laminate with larger calibers is when I’ve had a few issues. Each their own.

Cheers.

 

[Hondo64d]

Bat Hammerhead, and Geissele Super 700 in two-stage mode.

But it’s doesn’t matter- they all do it. I have 5 “custom” R700’s in the trailer- none of them go more than a hundred rounds or so between problems when actually being used in the field. Ironically, the most reliable R700 pattern guns… are actually Remington 700 factory actions.

I was just curious, because while there are many actions with the 700 footprint, and though deemed “clones” they vary widely in design. The Aero Precision Solus, for example, has the 700 footprint, but that is about all that it has in common with a 700. Three lugs, integral recoil lug, integral rail. Oh, and I guess the trigger. All the 700 clones will accept the same trigger. Is the trigger the point of failure on the 700 “clones?”

John