Thoughts on my own CWD situation

[Laramie]

If your paranoid about eating cwd deer why hunt where it's found?

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[z987k]

wouldn't it almost GUARANTEE that your meat is now tainted with cwd by cross contamination from surfaces and tools in the butchering process?

Yes.

 

[Wrench]

To be fair, we tested a Dr pepper fresh from a opened can and it tested positive for the rona' 19.

My faith in "science" is a bit skeptical to say the least.....especially when there's politics and money involved.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

If your paranoid about eating cwd deer why hunt where it's found?

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And it was taken to a processor...I assume every single animal taken to a processor has CWD so testing YOUR deer is moot. Your game has the prions because it's basically impossible to clean the equipment of them in a commercial grade facility. I say again, anybody in this thread that has their game processed has prions in their meat even if their deer tested negative.

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I don't understand the logic of a lot of people here. If you're gonna hunt units with prevalence of CWD, you should expect your deer to have it. It's not some anomaly. Stop hunting that unit.

 

[NRA4LIFE]

We took every precaution with our deer this year as our county was declared a mandatory CWD testing county. We butchered the deer without cutting any bone matter. Then, we used a specific saw to lop their melons off and take them to the test station. The buck horns get cut off with the same saw. That saw, after every use, gets the 5 minute soak of 40-60 bleach and water which eliminates the prions. We where gloves now too. There has never been a positive test in the county but one was close enough that they changed our county rules.

 

[grfox92]

And it was taken to a processor...I assume every single animal taken to a processor has CWD so testing YOUR deer is moot. Your game has the prions because it's basically impossible to clean the equipment of them in a commercial grade facility. I say again, anybody in this thread that has their game processed has prions in their meat even if their deer tested negative.


I don't understand the logic of a lot of people here. If you're gonna hunt units with prevalence of CWD, you should expect your deer to have it. It's not some anomaly. Stop hunting that unit.

The unit I hunt mule deer in has about 4% prevalence. I should stop hunting that unit?

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[Iowafarmer]

USDA has a group of cattle that they’ve been exposing to CWD in every possible way including feeding bone meal and brain tissue. They have not been able to transmit it to cattle. Obviously cattle are do contract BSE which is also a prion disease very similar to CWD. So if cattle can contract CWD I would think the chance of humans getting it from cooked meat, not brain or spinal tissue is almost zero

 

[Rich M]

Did you call biologist and find out about the prevalence in WT in your area?

I stopped reading with the just eat it comments.

When in doubt, do without. If i wasnt comfortable with the possibility, id trash it.

We are starting to see a slow spread of cwd where i hunt. Once it gets to my area, we’re gonna start raising cows for food.

 

[Laramie]

Our society has become so weak. Seriously consider this fear... of something that has never happened... and where that may be coming from. Do you think anti hunters may be behind some of the fear mongering? CWD isn't killing off our deer herds. They have been living with it for decades or longer and populations are actually increasing in many areas. Think about that.

You guys who are afraid to eat that meat need to stop hunting.... and also do some research around the million other diseases you can get but aren't likely to.

 

[grfox92]

You guys who are afraid to eat that meat need to stop hunting.... and also do some research around the million other diseases you can get but aren't likely to.

That's a laughable statement. Find me a single biologist or researcher that has the opinion that you have and would eat the meat of a positive animal. You won't find one. Are you working on CWD full-time? No one who is working on CWD full time has the opinion that you should just eat it. Why? Are these PHDs, doctors and scientists not as smart as you? Or do you think maybe they understand prions little bit better than opinionated strangers on the internet?




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[realunlucky]

That's a laughable statement. Find me a single biologist or researcher that has the opinion that you have and would eat the meat of a positive animal. You won't find one. Are you working on CWD full-time? No one who is working on CWD full time has the opinion that you should just eat it. Why? Are these PHDs, doctors and scientists not as smart as you? Or do you think maybe they understand prions little bit better than opinionated strangers on the internet?




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So your argument is all the smart people say so and if you don't agree with them your an idiot.

Fact remains that not a single person has contracted CWD from eating processed meat.

Of course that could change with the next very person to eat it and as such it's just too risky of a chance for you to personally take.

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[grfox92]

So your argument is all the smart people say so and if you don't agree with them your an idiot.

Fact remains that not a single person has contracted CWD from eating processed meat.

Of course that could change with the next very person to eat it and as such it's just too risky of a chance for you to personally take.

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When did I ever say that? That guy is telling people they should quit hunting because we dont want to eat lab confirmed sick animals.

Go back and read this thread and any thread regarding CWD. Almost everyone who doesn't want to eat CWD positive meat is coming from a place thats just their choice.

The tone of almost every post where people are arguing we should just eat it is that WE who chose not to eat it are the idiots.


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[Laramie]

That's a laughable statement. Find me a single biologist or researcher that has the opinion that you have and would eat the meat of a positive animal. You won't find one. Are you working on CWD full-time? No one who is working on CWD full time has the opinion that you should just eat it. Why? Are these PHDs, doctors and scientists not as smart as you? Or do you think maybe they understand prions little bit better than opinionated strangers on the internet?




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I am great friends with two biologists in Wyoming. I also was a wildlife and fisheries biology major at the university of wyoming. None of the three of us even bother testing. We have been eating antelope, deer, elk, and moose for the past 40 years with zero negative effects. I'm sure as hell not going to stop eating the delicious animals god put on this earth for us because there is a risk smaller than the odds of me hitting the power ball that I might be the first hunter to get sick. Go watch some news and huddle in a corner.

 

[MuleyFever]

I would bet a lot of biologists and state officials say not to eat it because it's the safe response to the public. I bet personally many of them don't even test their animals.

 

[Will_m]

It's through direct contact and ingestion of bodily fluids. Urine, feces, etc.

According to the papers on the topic I just looked up, the only way vCJD, which is mad cow, has ever been spread from human to human has been through blood transfusions. The way that CJD, like the one that is prevalent in Paupa spreads is through eating of the nervous system tissue of the dead, infected human. Though one would assume a blood transfusion would do it there to, not that anyone's doing that.
There probably should be a pathway for the same urine or fecal transmission for human to human, but there are no documented cases of that happening with any forms of CJD. Loved ones living in the same house with infected family members, etc has never been an issue. We don't commonly intentionally come into contact with those fluids. I think I'd pass on someone pissing on a bowl of cheerios and eating it.

If you eating at a public restaurant and especially a buffet, you probably getting at least a little of somebody’s poo poo and pee pee in your mouth.

 

[grfox92]

I am great friends with two biologists in Wyoming. I also was a wildlife and fisheries biology major at the university of wyoming. None of the three of us even bother testing. We have been eating antelope, deer, elk, and moose for the past 40 years with zero negative effects. I'm sure as hell not going to stop eating the delicious animals god put on this earth for us because there is a risk smaller than the odds of me hitting the power ball that I might be the first hunter to get sick. Go watch some news and huddle in a corner.

That's awesome and I fully support your decision. I havent once ascerted my opinion and told you that you should stop eating anything, but you told all of us that if we dont want to eat CWD meat than we should QUIT HUNTING. You have a couple buddies who work with CWD that dont test animals? Cool, every biologist in my field office has told me they would never eat a positive animal. Ive heard at this point dozens of specialists say it on podcasts and interviews. I allow the opinions on experts of any matter weigh onto my decision making.

I hunt deer in a 4% prevelance unit. I should stop hunting because there is a 4% chance that the deer I kill will unfortunately have a prion disease? If I kill 100 deer in my life and wound up having to feed 4 of those 100 deer to my dogs or throw them in a landfil for eagles and vultures to eat instead i should flat out, just retire from hunting? Does that sound like a reasonable position?

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[huntineveryday]

Do you know that driving a car to go hunt involves some risk? If you wear your seatbelt, then you must be so scared of driving that you should just stop driving anywhere!

Anyone arguing in absolutes is just being obnoxious, or completely ignorant. I know the potential risks of getting into a crash when driving down the highway. So I wear my seatbelt, use turn signals, avoid distractions, etc. Does that mean I'm terrified of driving? No. It just means that I take some easy precautions to decrease perceived risk. I hunt in an area that has some known CWD prevalence, so I test our deer before processing the meat and take some steps to decrease risk of exposure until we know the results. Does that mean I'm terrified of CWD? No. It just means that I think it's worth taking a few easy steps to minimize risk.

I take enjoyment of the hunt and time in the outdoors, memories, pictures, antlers, and meat as "trophies" of the hunt. I can still enjoy most of those even if the animal tests positive and I discard the meat after. My state game agency allows me to do so. As long as they don't see a problem with it, I will continue to apply for and hunt in my draw unit whenever I get the chance.

 

[liv3mind]

I am great friends with two biologists in Wyoming. I also was a wildlife and fisheries biology major at the university of wyoming. None of the three of us even bother testing. We have been eating antelope, deer, elk, and moose for the past 40 years with zero negative effects.

This. Many of us hunt with and are extremely close to wardens who are versed, biologists who are versed, and yes even PHDs who are versed, who eat all of their harvest without concern. Many of us are very educated on this topic. The scientific community is more divided on this than people think. It ultimately comes down to personal choice, but looking to the statements and data from the "smart educated" people is not going to get you solid ground to stand on either.

 

[ReaptheHeat]

That's a laughable statement. Find me a single biologist or researcher that has the opinion that you have and would eat the meat of a positive animal. You won't find one. Are you working on CWD full-time? No one who is working on CWD full time has the opinion that you should just eat it. Why? Are these PHDs, doctors and scientists not as smart as you? Or do you think maybe they understand prions little bit better than opinionated strangers on the internet?




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When did I ever say that? That guy is telling people they should quit hunting because we dont want to eat lab confirmed sick animals.

Go back and read this thread and any thread regarding CWD. Almost everyone who doesn't want to eat CWD positive meat is coming from a place thats just their choice.

The tone of almost every post where people are arguing we should just eat it is that WE who chose not to eat it are the idiots.


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Uh...What do you mean? Is this you? You have an appeal to authority post and then are saying you never said that?

 

[grfox92]

Uh...What do you mean? Is this you? You have an appeal to authority post and then are saying you never said that?

When did I call someone an idiot? When did I tell someone that their choice was wrong? That is simply me defending my position and explaining where my final position is coming from.

People on the opposite side of mine are telling us that we need to quit hunting if we dont want to eat CWD positive animals. It is said numerous times through this thread and every other thread on this topic.

Every single time this topic comes up it's the exact same thread. One group of People saying that they chose not to eat CWD meat. The second group telling the first group that they are stupid for doing that.


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