Thoughts on my own CWD situation

[grfox92]

I found 1 study where a 50% mixture of 6% sodium hyperclorite for 1 minute was effective, but there's an ANSI standard for prion sterilization, and bleach isn't in there.

Yea I dont know. Im just telling you what I was told. 40% solution submerged for 5 minutes deactivated prions. That's what they told me. I'd assume they know?

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[grfox92]

CWD prions confirmed in raw, cooked elk meat and water used for boiling, but risk to people unclear

www.cidrap.umn.edu

I also wonder if this is an exception not the rule. I was always told a Lymphnode was needed because its not found in muscle tissue. Otherwise why do we need to perform surgery to remove lumphnodes if we could just test the meat.

Was it backstraps that were contaminated with spinal fluid? An animal that was visibly sick and in the end stages of life? Im not asking you these questions, just questions that I feel need answers.

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[Speaks]

Looks like Prions from deer have recently infected Humans. I was surprised too...

https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

The article starts with "there is no conclusive evidence for cross species contamination"

Though I dont disagree that it might indicate reason for caution.

 

[Speaks]

I also wonder if this is an exception not the rule. I was always told a Lymphnode was needed because its not found in muscle tissue. Otherwise why do we need to perform surgery to remove lumphnodes if we could just test the meat.

Was it backstraps that were contaminated with spinal fluid? An animal that was visibly sick and in the end stages of life? Im not asking you these questions, just questions that I feel need answers.

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Yea I would lean toward contamination during butchering vs it being in the meat.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

Looks like Prions from deer have recently infected Humans. I was surprised too...

https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

Please don't make massive leaps beyond what the paper says... it suggests a possibility of CWD presenting as CJD (mad cow) because two hunters happened to present with mad cow disease after time at some lodge. Call me crazy but two cases of mad cow disease from people at the same lodge would be way more suggestive of contaminated beef than CWD, personally. It's certainly not enough data to write a strong research paper.

 

[MuleyFever]

I also wonder if this is an exception not the rule. I was always told a Lymphnode was needed because its not found in muscle tissue. Otherwise why do we need to perform surgery to remove lumphnodes if we could just test the meat.

Was it backstraps that were contaminated with spinal fluid? An animal that was visibly sick and in the end stages of life? Im not asking you these questions, just questions that I feel need answers.

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Just to be clear I posted that just in response to your statement that it cant be detected in meat. Sounds like they had some specialized equipment to do that. I am also under the impression that the prion is not generally found in the meat itself but contaminated through the butchering process.

 

[rileybassman]

Looking for more info but just saw this today. Lots of "mays" and speculation etc. but it's something to not take lightly.

https://www.mdlinx.com/article/two-men-die-after-eating-deer-meat-infected-with-prion-disease/7tm5rY6ntGOlOL8VvcYIBS

2 hunters may have died of prion disease from eating contaminated deer meat, researchers say

A new report calls for further study into a possible link between chronic wasting disease in deer and a rare and deadly brain disease in humans.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[NMJM]

Its fascinating how people perceive risk. CWD may have big implications for deer and hunting and should be studied more. However hundreds of thousands of people possibly even a million have been exposed to CWD and there has not been a single case in humans. Yet here we are very concerned and wringing our hands over it. There are so many other risks we assume every single day without even a thought to them. Whether it's big things like our national debt or what social media is doing to us or other health related risks such as heart disease, cancer, stroke or diabetes and most of us don't think about these nearly as much as we do about CWD.

 

[KsRancher]

Bleach won't cut it.

Papers written on the topic require 1N Sodium Hydroxide and a very specific autoclave cycle at higher than normal and much longer than normal temperature and pressures.

I don't know any butcher shops with an autoclave.

I posted an article on here several years ago. It was a research test and it showed that bleach did work. I cant remember all of the specifics. But I think something like a 50%, bleach for 5 min made the prions incapable of multiplying. I will try and dig it up.

 

[Ryan Avery]

These threads remind me of Covid.

Why even shoot the deer if it could have CWD… that's what they want you to ask yourself….


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[grfox92]

These threads remind me of Covid.

Why even shoot the deer if it could have CWD… that's what they want you to ask yourself….


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Because I like big bucks and I can not lie?

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[jmez]

Its fascinating how people perceive risk. CWD may have big implications for deer and hunting and should be studied more. However hundreds of thousands of people possibly even a million have been exposed to CWD and there has not been a single case in humans. Yet here we are very concerned and wringing our hands over it. There are so many other risks we assume every single day without even a thought to them. Whether it's big things like our national debt or what social media is doing to us or other health related risks such as heart disease, cancer, stroke or diabetes and most of us don't think about these nearly as much as we do about CWD.

Fear sells.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Eat the deer. The fear of being the first one out of millions to get CWD is dumb.

Plus there’s these likely facts about a CWD positive bucks that the fearful people always forget. You processed the deer with your bare hands and no protective face/eye wear. If there were prions in this buck it already likely got into your blood, mouth, eyes, etc.

Prions mostly are found in brain and spinal fluids.

 

[MuleyFever]

Eat the deer. The fear of being the first one out of millions to get CWD is dumb.

Plus there’s these likely facts about a CWD positive bucks that the fearful people always forget. You processed the deer with your bare hands and no protective face/eye wear. If there were prions in this buck it already likely got into your blood, mouth, eyes, etc.

Prions mostly are found in brain and spinal fluids.

This gets me too. If you're afraid of CWD then don't kill a deer and process it because if you get CWD on the meat you got it all over yourself and into your home.

 

[liv3mind]

The history of CWD and it's roots/handling over the years is fascinating, and raises a lot of questions surrounding it.

That being said, if you take a deer to a processor that has ever processed a "positive" case, you have already likely exposed yourself, as stated earlier in thread there is no way they are cleaning their entire shop between each animal to the required level. Also very few actually guarantee your specific meat back. Then throw in the fact that alot of these processors also do local raised animals that wind up in local shops and stores, well it doesn't take a leap to understand that WAY more people have likely eaten CWD venison or CWD exposed meat than can be comprehended.

It seems that unless you can process yourself fully at home, guarantee that you don't get dirty, can properly clean and disinfect everything involved, and store the meat until you get results, you really have no way to guarantee anything.

No way of knowing how this scales to large facilities as well, it's too much to worry about and too much to try to control, if it looks healthy I eat it, understanding that it may not be. I trust the probably not CWD more than I trust lab meat and meat fed and grown to scale.