Thoughts on my own CWD situation

[grfox92]

I found 1 study where a 50% mixture of 6% sodium hyperclorite for 1 minute was effective, but there's an ANSI standard for prion sterilization, and bleach isn't in there.

Yea I dont know. Im just telling you what I was told. 40% solution submerged for 5 minutes deactivated prions. That's what they told me. I'd assume they know?

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[grfox92]

CWD prions confirmed in raw, cooked elk meat and water used for boiling, but risk to people unclear

www.cidrap.umn.edu

I also wonder if this is an exception not the rule. I was always told a Lymphnode was needed because its not found in muscle tissue. Otherwise why do we need to perform surgery to remove lumphnodes if we could just test the meat.

Was it backstraps that were contaminated with spinal fluid? An animal that was visibly sick and in the end stages of life? Im not asking you these questions, just questions that I feel need answers.

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[Speaks]

Looks like Prions from deer have recently infected Humans. I was surprised too...

https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

The article starts with "there is no conclusive evidence for cross species contamination"

Though I dont disagree that it might indicate reason for caution.

 

[Speaks]

I also wonder if this is an exception not the rule. I was always told a Lymphnode was needed because its not found in muscle tissue. Otherwise why do we need to perform surgery to remove lumphnodes if we could just test the meat.

Was it backstraps that were contaminated with spinal fluid? An animal that was visibly sick and in the end stages of life? Im not asking you these questions, just questions that I feel need answers.

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Yea I would lean toward contamination during butchering vs it being in the meat.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

Looks like Prions from deer have recently infected Humans. I was surprised too...

https://www.neurology.org/doi/10.1212/WNL.0000000000204407

Please don't make massive leaps beyond what the paper says... it suggests a possibility of CWD presenting as CJD (mad cow) because two hunters happened to present with mad cow disease after time at some lodge. Call me crazy but two cases of mad cow disease from people at the same lodge would be way more suggestive of contaminated beef than CWD, personally. It's certainly not enough data to write a strong research paper.

 

[MuleyFever]

I also wonder if this is an exception not the rule. I was always told a Lymphnode was needed because its not found in muscle tissue. Otherwise why do we need to perform surgery to remove lumphnodes if we could just test the meat.

Was it backstraps that were contaminated with spinal fluid? An animal that was visibly sick and in the end stages of life? Im not asking you these questions, just questions that I feel need answers.

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Just to be clear I posted that just in response to your statement that it cant be detected in meat. Sounds like they had some specialized equipment to do that. I am also under the impression that the prion is not generally found in the meat itself but contaminated through the butchering process.

 

[rileybassman]

Looking for more info but just saw this today. Lots of "mays" and speculation etc. but it's something to not take lightly.

https://www.mdlinx.com/article/two-men-die-after-eating-deer-meat-infected-with-prion-disease/7tm5rY6ntGOlOL8VvcYIBS

2 hunters may have died of prion disease from eating contaminated deer meat, researchers say

A new report calls for further study into a possible link between chronic wasting disease in deer and a rare and deadly brain disease in humans.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[NMJM]

Its fascinating how people perceive risk. CWD may have big implications for deer and hunting and should be studied more. However hundreds of thousands of people possibly even a million have been exposed to CWD and there has not been a single case in humans. Yet here we are very concerned and wringing our hands over it. There are so many other risks we assume every single day without even a thought to them. Whether it's big things like our national debt or what social media is doing to us or other health related risks such as heart disease, cancer, stroke or diabetes and most of us don't think about these nearly as much as we do about CWD.

 

[KsRancher]

Bleach won't cut it.

Papers written on the topic require 1N Sodium Hydroxide and a very specific autoclave cycle at higher than normal and much longer than normal temperature and pressures.

I don't know any butcher shops with an autoclave.

I posted an article on here several years ago. It was a research test and it showed that bleach did work. I cant remember all of the specifics. But I think something like a 50%, bleach for 5 min made the prions incapable of multiplying. I will try and dig it up.