this will be unpopular i am sure

[robby denning]

Ya Ryan, I "hear" of these 150-175 pound Idaho wolves but they seem to elude the scales.

 

[Mad Mountain Mike]

Regardless of what an individual wolf weighs put ten together in a pack and you have over a thousand pounds of ungulate eating killing machines.

 

[Rizzy]

Ya Ryan, I "hear" of these 150-175 pound Idaho wolves but they seem to elude the scales.

Exactly

 

[realunlucky]

I believe most refer to hybrid wolves as a mix of subspecies. Just because it's a wolf doesn't make it native

 

[Ryan Avery]

I have zero love for wolfs and would love to trap or shoot my limit. But let's try to use facts in these arguments.

 

[realunlucky]

Canis lupus has many subspecies not many are naive to Oregon that is a fact.

 

[tipsntails7]

Yeah, just manage them...there is the answer! pitiful head shake

Do you guys realize how absurd that comment is? Yeah, lets control psycho killers too while we are at it......

Seems to me we have a lot of failed "management" we can cite...and very little success.

This thread is exhausting. people that think all wolves should die, will never change their mind. people that see a place for wolves in the ecosystem will not change either. nothing productive will come from having this thread open.

Beendare if you really feel that there is very little management success then you really now nothing about the past populations of really any animal in this country. Whitetail deer, waterfowl, rocky mountain elk and wild turkey are all success stories.

some of you guys are as bad as liberals with their gun grabs. "Take all guns" "Kill all wolves".....

 

[tipsntails7]

what do you consider native?

 

[realunlucky]

Oregon official report is these are wolves that migrated from the restocked Yellowstone pack. These came mostly from Canada

 

[littlebuf]

what do you consider native?

Not out of the back of a truck. Still waiting by the way for you to explain those great big words you used. I can only assume from your stance on the issue that they mean more wolves means more game. But I don't have Wikipedia so I'm a not so smart

 

[tipsntails7]

Still waiting....

its very simple. There are two schools of thought as far as population dynamics goes considering predation. additive and compensatory. basically additive is what everyone in this thread says. they are killing machines and combined with other predators will eventually consume all the prey animals. compensatory is there are a set number of animals that will die any way, either from starvation, sickness, other issues. this thought also encompasses the fact that with predators active in an ecosystem numbers may actually increase. ungulates have less competition for food, which in turn leads to healthier animals that have the ability to produce a greater quantity of healthy offspring. most biologists tend to lean towards compensatory because there are not a lot of examples of predators exhausting prey supplies in areas. most instances like Yellowstone have other outlying circumstances that can effect the population; IE small area like an island, making evasion of predator nearly impossible. grossly over carrying capacity for given region, causing unhealthy animals that may be slow or weak or have compromised immune systems(IE Yellowstone), or an outbreak of a disease. all these factors help the predator, and make it much easier for the predator to kill his prey. he is not the main reason they are dying he is just the object that is finishing the task.
Just recently I read, it may have been in Washington, I will attempt to find the article. that MT goats with a healthy population of cougars in the same area actually had more offspring and numbers increased in most areas. it was argued that because most predators are opportunist hunters( wolves much more so then cougars) they normally always choose older animals, which in turn created more opportunity for the younger generations of the heard to feed and become strong.

 

[tipsntails7]

Oregon official report is these are wolves that migrated from the restocked Yellowstone pack. These came mostly from Canada

what ODFW doesn't tell you is these wolves never left.

 

[tipsntails7]

Not out of the back of a truck. Still waiting by the way for you to explain those great big words you used. I can only assume from your stance on the issue that they mean more wolves means more game. But I don't have Wikipedia so I'm a not so smart

not exactly

 

[tipsntails7]

Not out of the back of a truck. Still waiting by the way for you to explain those great big words you used. I can only assume from your stance on the issue that they mean more wolves means more game. But I don't have Wikipedia so I'm a not so smart

Wikipedia wouldn't give you a good awnser. anyone who has taken any type of class on wildlife biology would have heard them before. I can photocopy it out of my biology book and send it to you if you would like though.

 

[littlebuf]

Oh what !! You gotta book! Whoa, do you do autographs ?

 

[Shrek]

Huh ! Almost always choose older animals ? Is that why the calf survival is in the chitter ? It's like that Brad Pitt movie where he looks younger and younger but is really old ? I'm thinking your biology books are mostly fiction.

 

[tipsntails7]

Oh what !! You gotta book! Whoa, do you do autographs ?

uhhh if you want... although there were 31 other copies in my wildlife management class back in 2011, and probably a couple million more out there as well. do you have anything constructive or are you going to continue to act as you normally do in most threads lately?

 

[Shrek]

Oh , and I haven't seen the high fences that make Yellowstone a game island. It does happen to be the first place the vermin were dumped

 

[tipsntails7]

Huh ! Almost always choose older animals ? Is that why the calf survival is in the chitter ? It's like that Brad Pitt movie where he looks younger and younger but is really old ? I'm thinking your biology books are mostly fiction.

would you like to show actual data, or just stuff that you have heard. let me guess, I bet its Yellowstone right? I unlike other people on this thread have no problem being swayed by actual facts, I do not have a set opinion and am willing to see other sides.

 

[tipsntails7]

Oh , and I haven't seen the high fences that make Yellowstone a game island. It does happen to be the first place the vermin were dumped

your right, it had nothing to do with decades of over grazing on the north side. the grossly overblown carrying capacity that that region had become. it also didn't change when wolf populations drop from 81 to around 34 from 2007-2010. guess what happened. the elk population did not increase. it stabilized. using facts may give you some credibility in anything you say. do you even read what i write?