The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[khuber84]

@NSI, I don’t necessarily think it’s bad optics. Maybe the Junction doesn’t have enough QC. However, I don’t think you’re seeing what we’re getting at. The Junction doesn’t have an optimally designed carbon fiber stock. The Junction doesn’t have an AICS bottom metal, and thus no mags, not to mention tuned mags. It isn’t QC’d nearly as thoroughly. Only one guy assembles the Marshall, thus adding cost. The Junction doesn’t come with a Pro brake. The Junction isn’t tested for 10 round group. The Junction isn’t cycled for 100 rounds. All of that easily adds up to the difference in cost.

Rokstok is cheaper than McMillan by $300. A m5 dbm price VS a bdl with internal box/spring/follower is a wash(m5 possibly cheaper). Do 2 mags costs $300? No.......at this point the non marshall has more hardware costs. You're stating information that doesn't support your argument. The pro brake will likely be thrown in a drawer by majority of buyers as they'll likely be suppressed. This costs is a disservice, just put a thread protector on it.

You really cannot defend the price premium of the Marshall based upon any it's physical differences VS their other previous available MRC options. It all comes into the labors, testing, tuning involved. If this is what gives someone those warm fuzzies in their heart, or makes their pants fit funny, than this is a win for the colaberators and the customers who buy them in confidence that this premium service has brought forth.

Let's hope the rifles success just breeds more competitive actions coming forth with non 700 prone problems, and bullet proof triggers.

 

[Axlrod]

As a business owner I will offer MRC some free advice. Raise the price of the Junction to a point where the cry babies have other things to cry about.

 

[Brucebarker024]

As a business owner I will offer MRC some free advice. Raise the price of the Junction to a point where the cry babies have other things to cry about.

Yes

 

[PaulIV]

Form is this now your recommendation over the Blaser R8 for best reliability and dependability in a hunting rifle?

 

[Gravel Road]

Admittedly, I'm a little disappointed in the price, but compared to some of the semi-auto Benelli Super Black Eagle or Beretta custom shop shotguns over $2k, I guess it's not so bad.

 

[khuber84]

@Formidilosus the sako85 action, crf 3 lug, very smooth, dbl stack dbl feed detach mags like an aiaw(4-6rds), Tikka esque trigger. If a t3x has consistent headspace, the 85 likely did too. I know they've now upgraded to the S90 non crf. Was the sako 85 anywhere close to being the aiaw of hunting actions? It ticks a lot of the boxes. I had one for 3 years in 300wsm from 2013-2016 before selling it, thing ran very well, on a rare occasion a feeding issue was had, but DSDF from a Wsm I wasn't surprised.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus the sako85 action, crf 3 lug, very smooth, dbl stack dbl feed detach mags like an aiaw(4-6rds), Tikka esque trigger. If a t3x has consistent headspace, the 85 likely did too. I know they've now upgraded to the S90 non crf. Was the sako 85 anywhere close to being the aiaw of hunting actions? It ticks a lot of the boxes. I had one for 3 years in 300wsm from 2013-2016 before selling it, thing ran very well, on a rare occasion a feeding issue was had, but DSDF from a Wsm I wasn't surprised.

No, the 85’s were plagued with ejection issues. They probably were the overall worse design Sako has produced. The S20’s and it seems the S90’s are good designs and work well though.

 

[doc holiday13]

Interesting over barrel design like the J Sip and Sons suppressor.

Its a reflex type suppressor. Keeps them shorter and actually adds a good bit of suppression. They aren't as popular because of clearance/fit with most barrel profiles. I designed one a number of years back but it was difficult to machine because it was more or less integrated on the barrel

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

No, the 85’s were plagued with ejection issues. They probably were the overall worse design Sako has produced. The S20’s and it seems the S90’s are good designs and work well though.

The overall design is fine and reliable from a general standpoint, the ejection angle just sucks with most scopes having the turret on ejection side hitting shells, or the shell hitting the physical scope tube. This is also exacerbated by users being "limp" with their bolt cycles. If you run the bolt with a bit of purpose as you know/do, most shells bouncing back into the action goes away.

Between all my Sako 85's (I think I own/owned 8 of them) I believe two of them exhibited the design flaw somewhat regularly when running the bolt like a girl, and occasionally even when cycling harder. If I remember correctly the XS sized action exhibited the naughty behavior the most often in .223 and .204.

They did improve this issue on the S20s and 90's and I'd recommend a 75, 90, or S20 over an 85 any day. There is a lot to like about the 85's and they have been great field rifles for me since they released.

 

[fwafwow]

I've been thinking that I don't need another suppressor, but the over the barrel design might be really good, and might mitigate my desire/need to cut and re-thread my S20.

 

[LingCod]

Another perspective to add.. I have owned guns my whole life but mostly hunted waterfowl. The last 3 years I ventured into the backpack hunting world and have been hooked. This past black tail season an equipment failure cost me the buck of my life and I put in 6 days of work to get that one shot opportunity. This is specifically what lead me to rokslide and so the research began. I told myself I would never put my body through that again just to come up empty handed due to a failure that was preventable.

With that being said, after pouring over the threads and listening to podcasts I started to get an idea of not only where I went wrong but what steps I need to take in order to increase my success rate. The only problem with this is due to work and raising 4 kids the time that I do get away is typically dedicated to a few 3-7 day solo hunts a year. Literally everything else is dedicated to the kids soccer, dance, gymnastics my union and job.

The point is, I realized that I don’t have the time right now to teach myself the right way of how to make my rifle more capable of performing under the conditions I put it through. Sure, I could give it a hell of a try, but the chances of me screwing it up is definitely a factor. This skill set is learned over years and years of trial and error and experience in the field. Huge shout out to all of you on here who are well versed in firearms from a technical standpoint. I truly do envy your knowledge and abilities.

When the Marshal pre order dropped it checked all my boxes so I commited. If UM/MRC deliver on their word then I know that all I will need to do is put one of the scopes on that has passed the evals on this forum and I will have a dependable rifle that is ready to take a beating in the backcountry.

Call me crazy for putting this much faith into some random members of a forum on the internet but the experience and information that is shared on here holds a ton of weight in my eyes. Form, I really hope we get the chance to cross paths one day. Your (and others) post history has established credibility and your endorsement of this build was one of the main reasons why I felt comfortable spending the money on it.

 

[Bluumoon]

Another perspective to add.. I have owned guns my whole life but mostly hunted waterfowl. The last 3 years I ventured into the backpack hunting world and have been hooked. This past black tail season an equipment failure cost me the buck of my life and I put in 6 days of work to get that one shot opportunity. This is specifically what lead me to rokslide and so the research began. I told myself I would never put my body through that again just to come up empty handed due to a failure that was preventable.

With that being said, after pouring over the threads and listening to podcasts I started to get an idea of not only where I went wrong but what steps I need to take in order to increase my success rate. The only problem with this is due to work and raising 4 kids the time that I do get away is typically dedicated to a few 3-7 day solo hunts a year. Literally everything else is dedicated to the kids soccer, dance, gymnastics my union and job.

The point is, I realized that I don’t have the time right now to teach myself the right way of how to make my rifle more capable of performing under the conditions I put it through. Sure, I could give it a hell of a try, but the chances of me screwing it up is definitely a factor. This skill set is learned over years and years of trial and error and experience in the field. Huge shout out to all of you on here who are well versed in firearms from a technical standpoint. I truly do envy your knowledge and abilities.

When the Marshal pre order dropped it checked all my boxes so I commited. If UM/MRC deliver on their word then I know that all I will need to do is put one of the scopes on that has passed the evals on this forum and I will have a dependable rifle that is ready to take a beating in the backcountry.

Call me crazy for putting this much faith into some random members of a forum on the internet but the experience and information that is shared on here holds a ton of weight in my eyes. Form, I really hope we get the chance to cross paths one day. Your (and others) post history has established credibility and your endorsement of this build was one of the main reasons why I felt comfortable spending the money on it.

Same way I landed here. Give up one of the hunting trips and sign up for a shoot2hunt class, prob is you’ll want to shoot more when you get home.

 

[Grundy53]

I fondled the new suppressor at UM's booth today. I was very impressed. I'll definitely be buying at least one.

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[DisplacedHusky]

I fondled the new suppressor at UM's booth today. I was very impressed. I'll definitely be buying at least one.

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That’s all we get? You fondled it… Anymore observations? Why are you definitely buying one?

 

[khuber84]

3d printed suppressors all kinda look the same on the outside. All the magic is on the inside. This thing sounds like no frills functional otb hunting can designed to take up the least amount of extra muzzle real-estate as possible.

 

[realunlucky]

I was also impressed with the 4 in 4 out concept of this suppressor. Couple more ounces than my scythe but overall shorter barrel lenght and no doubt will balance better spreading the wieght over a longer distance

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[Grundy53]

That’s all we get? You fondled it… Anymore observations? Why are you definitely buying one?

It felt really solid yet not very heavy. Plus, it only adds 4". It feels way sturdier than my Scythe.

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[fwafwow]

I was also impressed with the 4 in 4 out concept of this suppressor. Couple more ounces than my scythe but overall shorter barrel lenght and no doubt will balance better spreading the wieght over a longer distance

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When do they take orders?

 

[realunlucky]

When do they take orders?

I feel like they told me but don't remember exactly sorry

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[svivian]

When do they take orders?

I walked out with one today….





Kidding but I also fondled it and liked the overall feel. Now just need to hear what one sounds like before I would bite the bullet.