The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[Reburn]

It would be interesting to listen to a good civil conversation between people on both sides of the caliber debate. I feel like JVB along with alot of his listeners heard killing big game with a .223 and then missed a lot of the main points that Form was trying to make in the podcast he did

JVB isn’t wanting an honest conversation. He is wanting clicks to cash in on controversy.

He will NEVER openly debate Form. It would be bad for him if he got painted into a corner.

Plus, I don’t see a point for Form to even try to speak to him. JVB will just make it an argument.

The best thing we can do is just ignore JVB. He brings nothing to the table, and I will not click anything of his and allow him to monetize my click.

 

[Castle Rock]

But if the letter from NZ was from Nathan Foster ...

You missed the point, there was no letter, he was making it up

 

[Ryan Avery]

As the so-called gatekeepers of the hunting industry continue to lose ground, they will up their attacks on information contrary to theirs. They can keep being windbags for their overlords, and we will keep posing up real-life results from piss ant calibers and scopes that hold zero.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

and we will just keep posing up real life results from piss ant calibers and scopes that hold zero.

This is the crux of it right here. Notice who is actually posting up real world results and who is just "talking" and "theorizing" about it on the internet.

 

[swavescatter]

As the so-called gatekeepers of the hunting industry continue to lose ground, they will up their attacks on information contrary to theirs. They can keep being windbags for their overlords, and we will keep posing up real-life results from piss ant calibers and scopes that hold zero.

When will you shoot a bull elk with a 223? You seem to have hit a wall at 6mm…

 

[Ryan Avery]

When will you shoot a bull elk with a 223? You seem to have hit a wall at 6mm…

When you shoot one with a 6mm.

 

[swavescatter]

When you shoot one with a 6mm.

Only done 30 cal and 50 cal so far because I can’t draw a tag but my son will hopefully take a cow with a 223, plus another big game animal soon. I’ll post those up in the 223 thread.

My first 6mm is getting chopped and threaded now so hopefully I draw next year.

But seriously - are you willing to try 22cal? I would but my tag options suck compared to yours so we’ll have to wait.

 

[Sadler]

Listened to 35 minutes and 49 seconds of this second podcast while running today and it seemed as though he contradicted himself with small calibers don’t work but a guide he knows loves the 243 and another guy went to Africa and killed everything with it but they don’t have energy yada yada yada and he won’t entertain the idea of talking to Form because he’s recommending smaller cartridges and that’s irresponsible.

I don’t know if he mentioned this on these particular podcasts but I have heard him say before, at least I think it was him, that small calibers like the 6 and 6.5 creedmoor are good for women and kids. Apparently they’re not good for men though. My question for him in regards to that statement is why would you recommend these less than ideal cartridges for people with very little to no experience? Wouldn’t you want them to shoot bigger cartridges with more nock down power in case of a bad shot for that “insurance” on those big rutted up bulls?

 

[Ryan Avery]

Only done 30 cal and 50 cal so far because I can’t draw a tag but my son will hopefully take a cow with a 223, plus another big game animal soon. I’ll post those up in the 223 thread.

My first 6mm is getting chopped and threaded now so hopefully I draw next year.

But seriously - are you willing to try 22cal? I would but my tag options suck compared to yours so we’ll have to wait.

Yes, I am building a 22-creed right now. It seems to have legs... as they say.

I might shoot a cow with a .223. But a .223 limits my range when I am hunting for a bull. I practice and spend too many days in the field looking for a big bull to be limited to 400 yards. I passed up several bulls around 300" and smaller this year.. they don't excite me. I would hate to have a 340+ bull standing at 704 on a windy day and have a .223 with me. I am looking for the most shootable rifle that can kill elk at 1000 yards IF needed, and that, IMO is the 6UM with a 115 Dtac NR.

 

[gabenzeke]

So is the 115 dtac going away? I feel like at one point that was eluded to, but I wasn't sure if that's actually happening or if I imagined that

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[Unckebob]

Yes, I am building a 22-creed right now. It seems to have legs... as they say.

I might shoot a cow with a .223. But a .223 limits my range when I am hunting for a bull. I practice and spend too many days in the field looking for a big bull to be limited to 400 yards. I passed up several bulls around 300" and smaller this year.. they don't excite me. I would hate to have a 340+ bull standing at 704 on a windy day and have a .223 with me. I am looking for the most shootable rifle that can kill elk at 1000 yards IF needed, and that, IMO is the 6UM with a 115 Dtac NR.

I get the theory of less recoil leading to more accurate shot; however, I submit that any adult should be able to fire a 6cm or 6.5cm accurately.

Why limit oneself to a 77 TMK when a 108g Eldx and 143g Eldx are available?

I get that a 300 PRC is a recoil problem, but is a suppressed 6.5CM?

Btw - your comments on your ability to make long hikes in the mountains have inspired this short fat guy to hit the gym.

 

[pbroski]

Listened to 35 minutes and 49 seconds of this second podcast while running today and it seemed as though he contradicted himself with small calibers don’t work but a guide he knows loves the 243 and another guy went to Africa and killed everything with it but they don’t have energy yada yada yada and he won’t entertain the idea of talking to Form because he’s recommending smaller cartridges and that’s irresponsible.

I don’t know if he mentioned this on these particular podcasts but I have heard him say before, at least I think it was him, that small calibers like the 6 and 6.5 creedmoor are good for women and kids. Apparently they’re not good for men though. My question for him in regards to that statement is why would you recommend these less than ideal cartridges for people with very little to no experience? Wouldn’t you want them to shoot bigger cartridges with more nock down power in case of a bad shot for that “insurance” on those big rutted up bulls?

Also, I think I heard JVB say he won't have a discussion with Form about small calibers and match bullets because Form is someone who hides his identity. Possibly could be just an excuse to avoid the debate altogether, I think. Maybe he's afraid of loosing credibility with many of his supporters.

 

[Bluumoon]

JVB and his sponsors are looking at this all wrong. This is a grand opportunity to provide an excuse replace all those Magnums w little girly guns and sell a ton more ammo by pushing the shoot more be a better hunter mantra. Then, like 10 years down the road flip the script back to boomers.

I’ll give them the not buying into scopes that hold zero though, if you are constantly rezeroing that’s a lot of ammo to be sold.

 

[PNWGATOR]

I get the theory of less recoil leading to more accurate shot; however, I submit that any adult should be able to fire a 6cm or 6.5cm accurately.

Why limit oneself to a 77 TMK when a 108g Eldx and 143g Eldx are available?

I get that a 300 PRC is a recoil problem, but is a suppressed 6.5CM?

Btw - your comments on your ability to make long hikes in the mountains have inspired this short fat guy to hit the gym.

I encourage you to go kill something, anything, with a 77TMK with an impact velocity above 1800 fps.

If I were only killing things inside of 450 yds, the only projectile I’d shoot would be a 77TMK and it'd be out of a .223.

Period.

 

[HuntHarder]

Yes, I am building a 22-creed right now. It seems to have legs... as they say.

I might shoot a cow with a .223. But a .223 limits my range when I am hunting for a bull. I practice and spend too many days in the field looking for a big bull to be limited to 400 yards. I passed up several bulls around 300" and smaller this year.. they don't excite me. I would hate to have a 340+ bull standing at 704 on a windy day and have a .223 with me. I am looking for the most shootable rifle that can kill elk at 1000 yards IF needed, and that, IMO is the 6UM with a 115 Dtac NR.

This is exactly how a lot of guys feel when talking about smaller calibers imo. I guess each shooter needs to figure out where the line in the sand is on when a rifle is not shootable enough to make the shot. I know you have built and shot a bunch of larger rifles, did you feel like you were not able to accurately shoot them at longer range? Or what made you have want to get down to a smaller cartridge?

 

[Unckebob]

I encourage you to go kill something, anything, with a 77TMK with an impact velocity above 1800 fps.

If I were only killing things inside of 450 yds, the only projectile I’d shoot would be a 77TMK and it'd be out of a .223.

Period.

I bought a Tikka 223 to test the theory. Unfortunately, I didn't get the 77g TMK bullet in time to get a load developed before the hunt.

I hope to get a whitetail with one next fall. I expect it will do just fine. Deer are not hard to kill.

But, I note that Ryan doesn't hunt large game with the 223.

 

[Bsnyder]

Yes, I am building a 22-creed right now. It seems to have legs... as they say.

I might shoot a cow with a .223. But a .223 limits my range when I am hunting for a bull. I practice and spend too many days in the field looking for a big bull to be limited to 400 yards. I passed up several bulls around 300" and smaller this year.. they don't excite me. I would hate to have a 340+ bull standing at 704 on a windy day and have a .223 with me. I am looking for the most shootable rifle that can kill elk at 1000 yards IF needed, and that, IMO is the 6UM with a 115 Dtac NR.

Do we know if the 115 dtac is going away? If that’s the case what do you plan as a back up bullet.

 

[PNWGATOR]

I bought a Tikka 223 to test the theory. Unfortunately, I didn't get the 77g TMK bullet in time to get a load developed before the hunt.

I hope to get a whitetail with one next fall. I expect it will do just fine. Deer are not hard to kill.

But, I note that Ryan doesn't hunt large game with the 223.

No worries!

Get that 77TMK load put together for next season.

Between now and then, please shoot thousands of rounds with your new hunting rifle from field positions!

Ryan doesn’t want to be limited to 1800 fps impact velocity at 450yds on his hunts!

 

[Castle Rock]

When will you shoot a bull elk with a 223? You seem to have hit a wall at 6mm…

Just because you can, it doesn’t mean you have to.
Use whatever gives you confidence

 

[swavescatter]

Just because you can, it doesn’t mean you have to.
Use whatever gives you confidence

I guess that’s where JVB and his crowd are and why there is this battle of internet neckbeards on both sides