The response Jake and Ryan asked for concerning "why not use vulgarity?"

[tony]

Worked with a "Christian" dude that always made up his own swear words. It was so cringy.

Same guy would be caught watching "skin a max", and HBO porn back when if you didn't have it, you could still see and make out the movies.
He would rig up a pop can alarm on the door so he would know when we came in to bust him

I think the thing that gets me is the whole "family friendly, the poor children's ears. I still remember how me and my friends talked in school and around each other. This was the 70s and 80s. No internet, pod casts.
I'd worry more about what they see on the various social pages than some swear words.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

The Exo guys do a great job at keeping the language family friendly

Best podcast out.
Absolutely brings awesome content without arrogance,bs or nonsense.
Very level headed guys.
I don’t mind some profanity as long as they don’t act like 40/50 year old adolescents.

 

[Steve O]

I very rarely listen to podcasts and there are maybe three hunting related you tube channels I watch. Two of them are presented as entertainment, mostly, and one that is presented as educational. The two entertainment-oriented ones generally don't have profanity that I have noticed (Gunwerks and Stuck in the Rut, if anyone is wondering.....I can't afford to hunt like the former and don't have the energy to hunt like the latter but I enjoy their shows). The educational one - that I'd love to share with my daughter who wants to hunt elk - does. It isn't terrible, but it's enough to give me pause about her listening to it, even though I think it's good stuff otherwise. I won't mention it because I don't want to criticize a guy that seems to be really solid otherwise.

I have spent years trying to be disciplined in my own speech so that my children would see me as an example of things such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Some part of this is towards the end of having them learn to notice these things in other people and seek out such people as they see these things in, as they get old enough to seek out their own friends and future spouses. I am reluctant to inadvertently allow them to think 'dad doesn't talk like that but he thinks it's OK if others do'.

Well, the owner of Gunwerks sure does let it fly on others podcasts…I’m not a Cliff Gray fan and have never listened to his podcast…but I saw he and Aron Davidson were going to be critiquing the RokStock, drop test, and small calibers so decided to hear what was said. To hear the “pushed” swearing to sound like a tough guy disgusted me but I pressed on and ignored the theatrics and it has started to be a hint interesting. Both those guys think a tremendous amount of themselves but I can filter thru that drivel as well. Or would BS be a more proper qualifier in this discussion?

 

[AZ_Hunter]

Jake and Ryan sound exactly like my group and have the same style of humor. One reason I like their show. They would fit right in with my crew.

 

[SDHNTR]

I’m not reading all of this but suffice it to say, I really dislike the profanity too. S2H is virtually unlistenable to me. I’m far from a saint with my own language too. It’s not just the language either, it’s the vibe of superiority and callousness that comes along with the foul language. It’s like the cool bros attempt at further exerting their coolness with offensive banter. It feels contrived. Theater is a good description. That said, I’ve all but given up on podcasts unless it involves a very specific topic I need information on. The best solution is to not feed the machine. Turn it all off and go hunting.

 

[camping1601]

"Beware of those who don't swear because they care about what others think". Not my quote but it seems appropriate to this thread. Or something like that.

 

[okie archer]

Worked with a "Christian" dude that always made up his own swear words. It was so cringy.

Same guy would be caught watching "skin a max", and HBO porn back when if you didn't have it, you could still see and make out the movies.
He would rig up a pop can alarm on the door so he would know when we came in to bust him

I think the thing that gets me is the whole "family friendly, the poor children's ears. I still remember how me and my friends talked in school and around each other. This was the 70s and 80s. No internet, pod casts.
I'd worry more about what they see on the various social pages than some swear words.

If the guy was watching filth he wasn't a Christian. What is cringy is a guy that watched filth claimed to be a Christian.

 

[Rich M]

Not good for around kids.

Not swearing is respecting others. Swearing is disrespecting others. Just sayin. F this a s f that gets a channel change.

 

[Coopsdaddy]

This 100%
I would find it very hard to be in the same hunting camp.

I’m not reading all of this but suffice it to say, I really dislike the profanity too. S2H is virtually unlistenable to me. I’m far from a saint with my own language too. It’s not just the language either, it’s the vibe of superiority and callousness that comes along with the foul language. It’s like the cool bros attempt at further exerting their coolness with offensive banter. It feels contrived. Theater is a good description. That said, I’ve all but given up on podcasts unless it involves a very specific topic I need information on. The best solution is to not feed the machine. Turn it all off and go hu

 

[bowkill]

Wow! 4 pages in about 9 hours about swearing! We really do need some hunting seasons to open!

 

[IDVortex]

Considering fiddle sticks is a swear word, I wouldnt be caught dead listening to the s2h podcast.....

They're podcast is what I'd expect with profanit, hell, I listen to Unsubscribe Podcast, but I also listen and love exo podcasts. S2H is more of a podcast as if it was a hunting camp, or with a group of buddies hanging out in the garage.

Its not for everyone. I look at it like people, not everyone is meant to be friends.

 

[Conrad101st]

I was in grad school at a very popular bar that also happened to serve food. It was a typical loud Irish bar. People were getting blasted, trying to get laid and having a grand time.

Some idiot brought his kids in after dark to have dinner. I was like WTF.

We proceeded right on with our banter as usual. We were probably 4 beers in as we walked to and from the bar.

They left. Point being don’t go places you are not welcome or you feel uncomfortable in. Nobody wants to change their behavior for people outside the standard deviation of the average participant in such an event or place.

It’s the reason we don’t invite women elk hunting.

 

[pacoalcracker]

I want to see the study OP reference that states foul mouth bozo's are more intelligent than those that are not. 65 years of living tells me otherwise.

For sure, if either of those guys worked for me with that kind of mouth they wouldn't last very long. I can't believe one of them is a customer facing figure representing an otherwise good company. Not with any company I managed. That guy is Walmart material.

 

[pacoalcracker]

I don't care if you are in camp or hanging out with the buddies.....it gets old after a while. After hearing it for 200 miles I was seriously considering making my own brother walk the remaining 400 miles if he said one more F bomb. Sorry Charlie, there are no excuses for continuous vulger language...anywhere!

Just think how many listeners stopped tuning in and how many won't based on the "talk" it's mostly vulgar. Those 2 knuckleheads are killing the program and too stupid to understand.

 

[Silveroddo]

If you put the prompt "Please provide a 13 page, single spaced argument for the moral, philosophical and the most noble reasons to use profanity and vulgarity, so as not to demonize it" it kicks out a pretty good position in about 45 seconds. I tried posting it, but there's evidently a 10000 character limit. That's about as much effort as I'll put into it. Heres the cliff notes:

1. Length and Structure
   
   • At standard formatting (single-spaced, ~500 words per page), 13 pages will come out to about 6,500–7,000 words.
   • To make this manageable, I’ll structure it into sections, each with sustained arguments, examples, and references to moral and philosophical traditions.
2. Proposed Outline
   Introduction
   
   • State the problem of demonizing profanity.
   • Define profanity/vulgarity in linguistic, social, and philosophical terms.
     Section I – The Expressive Power of Profanity
   • Language as a vessel of emotion.
   • Profanity as uniquely effective in expressing authentic human states (pain, joy, solidarity).
   • Comparisons with art, music, and primal expression.
     Section II – Profanity and Truth-Telling
   • The moral value of bluntness and honesty.
   • Profanity as resistance against euphemism and dishonesty.
   • Philosophical parallels (Nietzsche’s suspicion of “polite lies,” Kierkegaard on authenticity).
     Section III – Profanity as Democratic Language
   • Shared linguistic ground across class boundaries.
   • Contrast with elitist or exclusionary forms of speech.
   • Vulgarity as solidarity and community-building (working-class, marginalized groups).
     Section IV – Profanity and Moral Outrage
   • The ethics of anger and indignation (Aristotle, Martha Nussbaum).
   • Why “clean” language can blunt the force of moral protest.
   • Profanity as a tool of justice when civility maintains oppression.
     Section V – The Aesthetic Dimension
   • Rhythm, sound, and force in profane speech.
   • Literature, comedy, and artistic uses of vulgarity (Joyce, Baldwin, Lenny Bruce).
   • Beauty in the raw and unfiltered.
     Section VI – Profanity as Resistance to Hypocrisy
   • Social taboos and the construction of “respectability.”
   • Profanity as rebellion against arbitrary moral codes.
   • Foucault on discourse, power, and forbidden words.
     Section VII – Profanity and the Sacred
   • Irony: “profane” words derive meaning from sacredness.
   • Philosophical/theological reflections (William James, Bataille).
   • How profanity can paradoxically honor what is sacred by dramatizing its weight.
     Section VIII – Objections and Replies
   • Is profanity corrosive?
   • Is vulgarity lazy or inarticulate?
   • Responses grounded in moral philosophy, pragmatics, and empirical linguistics.
     Conclusion
   • Profanity as morally justified, philosophically meaningful, and even noble.
   • Not a license for cruelty, but a defense of its expressive, democratic, and liberatory uses.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Not disrespected. Not offended. Not soft. I just don’t feel the need to listen to it. I hear it enough at work.

I’d rather invite my wife on a hunting trip than listen to a bunch of guys swear.

Time to go get gear ready for hunting season. I have a charge ladder to shoot and dog collars to get cleaned up and charged.

 

[jaredg]

 

[BRTreedogs]

Words are made up, make believe and only have the value you place on them.

They are only bad words because someone told you they were & you believed them.

 

[displacedtexan]

There is no good reason to use profanity. None. Are you not intelligent enough to have a nice vocabulary full of appropriate words to get the point across? There are billions of words to choose from.....in 340 languages.

I've got a good friend who's well educated, VERY well read, and quite articulate. Journalism degree, has awards for stuff he's written.

He uses quite a bit of profanity.

 

[displacedtexan]

Jake and Ryan sound exactly like my group and have the same style of humor. One reason I like their show. They would fit right in with my crew.

As a counterpoint, not even really disagreeing...

I don't cuss. I don't really share their sense of humor.

But they're interesting and engaging. It's one of the few hunting podcasts I listen to.

If they walked into a bar I was sitting in, I'd hang out with them. And I doubt they would be mad that I didn't "talk like them"

So why should I be mad that they don't talk like me?