The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

I believe this to be accurate for some. I would say testing is the dividing rod. Instead of just looking at what is and trying to decipher it's origin or purpose test the scriptures in your own life. Everyone must have their own interface with God and those who try to use someone else's fall short. If one can apply multiple principles from the Bible and can confirm the outcomes as congruent with what the Bible states but does not make connection tot he author, the heart is hardened and this is not a matter of resonance.
Another thoughtful response. Lots of my prior posts discuss why your evidence simply doesn’t resonate with me like it does with you. Resonance is not evenly distributed. In religion often what is taken as proof simply functions as confirmation of something the believer already strongly subjectively feels.

Say you, I and another person look at a beautiful sunset. You see that as confirmation of God. I see it as the beauty of the natural world. The other person simply sees it as the process of the sun going down just like any other day. We are seeing through different interpretive lenses. The other person’s view doesn’t devalue your faith or the beauty I feel.

So the believer’s conviction may be real and sincere, but its compelling power may be internal rather than universal.

And for non-believers, a lack of resonance doesn’t mean a sign of hardness or rebellion, it is simply that the proof of a believer does not move him.
 
Nobody knows but God, but in my mind, it's pretty simple. God is good. He is the only one who is good. He has perfect justice. If you believe in God, that seems like the first thing you should believe as the core value of God. I can't see how it would be just for someone who has no idea who Jesus is, to earn hell for that. God never sends anyone to hell, he saves us from it. People go to hell for deciding they don't need the one true God in their life. Believing in the wrong God to me, is still putting God first, you are just ignorant of Jesus. I think the problem comes when you know Jesus and reject him for a false God. Many Christians would disagree with this, but I think it makes sense.

Your question was my biggest stumbling block to believe in Jesus. What I've written above is how I rectified what I originally believed to be hypocrisy or inconsistency in the scriptures. After learning more, I think scripture also supports this.

There is no science to prove this. You either believe and have faith, or you can disregard it all as fairytales and nonsense. I'm not trying to convince you; this is just what I believe.
Please post the scriptures you believe supports this...
 
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Why wouldn’t I? If I were standing before Jesus, faced with undeniable proof, of course I would admit I was wrong. I’ve said before: that’s one of the fundamental differences I often see between believers and nonbelievers. Most nonbelievers are open to changing their views if presented with compelling evidence. Many believers, on the other hand, openly say no amount of evidence would ever change their minds, and they view that as a virtue.

You raise another important point: Why should salvation hinge on when someone believes in God, just before death vs. just after, especially if the ultimate goal is to seek and find God? If someone lives justly and honestly, open to truth, is the timing of belief really more important than the substance of a life?

Now let me flip your hypothetical (and yes, I realize both of ours are oversimplified). Imagine you die and find yourself at the feet of the devil — and every devout believer you know is there, too. The devil tells you the entire belief system you followed was a deception he constructed. Would you question your faith? And if you did, would that mean the moral life you lived was suddenly meaningless?

If I were in your shoes, I’d feel my faith was fundamentally mistaken, but if it led me to live an honest, compassionate life, I wouldn’t regret it. Just like in your scenario, good intent and a sincere search for truth still count.
The devil can’t create anything. He can only manipulate what exists.
 
Please post the scriptures you believe supports this...
First Timothy chapter 2

Verse 3-4 says ...God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth...

As noted, it is a mystery and a human hope we have for those that live their entire life without hearing the Gospel. It is not outright known. Not directly from a single scripture verse either. It is something we suspect based on what has been revealed of the character of the Lord.

Not different than the mechanism by which we hope unborn infants getting to heaven
 
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done;
on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever.
Amen.
 
Nobody knows but God, but in my mind, it's pretty simple. God is good. He is the only one who is good. He has perfect justice. If you believe in God, that seems like the first thing you should believe as the core value of God. I can't see how it would be just for someone who has no idea who Jesus is, to earn hell for that. God never sends anyone to hell, he saves us from it. People go to hell for deciding they don't need the one true God in their life. Believing in the wrong God to me, is still putting God first, you are just ignorant of Jesus. I think the problem comes when you know Jesus and reject him for a false God. Many Christians would disagree with this, but I think it makes sense.

Your question was my biggest stumbling block to believe in Jesus. What I've written above is how I rectified what I originally believed to be hypocrisy or inconsistency in the scriptures. After learning more, I think scripture also supports this.

There is no science to prove this. You either believe and have faith, or you can disregard it all as fairytales and nonsense. I'm not trying to convince you; this is just what I believe.
I understand you wanting to leave the final decision to God, but your answer doesn’t really match what the Bible and many Christian denominations teach.The Bible repeatedly states that salvation is only through conscious faith in Jesus Christ.

Major evangelical and conservative Protestant denominations take the Bible position on this literally. For them someone raised in another religion must come to faith in Jesus before death.

So while you personally may hope God makes exceptions, your ‘God decides’ answer is not actually what your own Bible and many denominational doctrines teach. Without explicit faith in Jesus before death one will not be saved.

Now compare this Christian position on salvation with the Muslim position as stated in the Quran. They are almost exactly the same just with the names changed. In both the deciding factor isn’t primarily moral goodness or sincere faith in any god but whether one accepts a specific god and the sacred doctrine at the core of that religion. That means followers of each religion are automatically excluded from being saved unless they convert to the others religion.

So when Christians and Muslims criticize each other for their positions on salvation they are both defending positions that are almost the same but only with different religious names. There might be a lesson in that.
 
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give it to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid.
John 14:27
 
Please post the scriptures you believe supports this...
I'm not saying that you don't have to believe in Jesus, I think that is very clear. But who is Jesus? He is God, and the Son and the Holy Spirit all in one. What I'm saying is a man living in the jungle who can understand just from Gods creations that there is a living God. That all of this was created and lives accordingly believes in Jesus. He just doesn't know the story. I believe he will be judged on his knowledge. God will find a way to reach him. Also, nobody who died before Jesus was born, heard of Jesus and they are not all condemned either. This is undeniable and I don't know how any Christian can acknowledge this and at the same time say there is no other way to get to heaven. They would have believed if they had known, same as the man in the jungle.

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So, they are without excuse.

Acts 17:26–27

“From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us”.

Someone who knows little will be judged less harshly:

Luke 12 47-48
"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes."
"But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more."
 
I understand you wanting to leave the final decision to God, but your answer doesn’t really match what the Bible and many Christian denominations teach.The Bible repeatedly states that salvation is only through conscious faith in Jesus Christ.

Major evangelical and conservative Protestant denominations take the Bible position on this literally. For them someone raised in another religion must come to faith in Jesus before death.

So while you personally may hope God makes exceptions, your ‘God decides’ answer is not actually what your own Bible and many denominational doctrines teach. Without explicit faith in Jesus before death one will not be saved.

Now compare this Christian position on salvation with the Muslim position as stated in the Quran. They are almost exactly the same just with the names changed. In both the deciding factor isn’t primarily moral goodness or sincere faith in any god but whether one accepts a specific god and the sacred doctrine at the core of that religion. That means followers of each religion are automatically excluded from being saved unless they convert to the others religion.

So when Christians and Muslims criticize each other for their positions on salvation they are both defending positions that are almost the same but only with different religious names. There might be a lesson in that.
Muslims get salvation through works. Christians get salvation through Jesus.

I keep going back to this, God is just. The Bible says that over and over. Is it justice to condemn someone who had no opportunity to hear the gospels? No. So, either there is an exception, or God contacts them through the Holy Spirit. Just because they don't know his name, or the Gospels, doesn't mean they don't believe in Jesus. This is happening right now in countries like Iran. People are having visions of a man in white in their dreams. They realize he is the one true God and eventually figure out its Jesus. Even though this article is MSN. I think it's credible since they usually hate
Christians.

 
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