The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[dylanvb]

A good watch.

 

[dylanvb]

The second part

 

[Jason Snyder]

I'd love to know if you are aware of a truth of which I know nothing.


Eddie

P.S. Can facts be considered trolling? I didn't think it could, but then again, it seems "fear" in biblical terms is not the fear we all know today.

I don’t know you from Adam. My question was 100% asked in good faith. It would appear to me you’re looking for a fight, of which I’m not going to oblige you.

 

[Jason Snyder]

“He loves whatever is just and good; the unfailing love of the Lord fills the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭33‬:‭5‬ ‭NLT‬‬

 

[dylanvb]

Watch this one before the second

 

[Beagle1]

Google search results.
While there is no universally agreed-upon count, several historians outside the Bible mention Jesus, with some of the most prominent being Josephus, Tacitus,Pliny the Younger, and Suetonius. These authors offer brief but important corroboration of Jesus' existence and the early Christian movement

You mean to tell me that a time in history that only recorded the history of important and wealthy figures doesn't have more history and recordings of a poor man? Wow surprising.

The fact that we have any mention of Jesus Christ outside of the Bible goes to show the importance of him in this time frame. And yes you aren’t going to have any other direct written testimony of Jesus outside of the Bible is because no one else was following him as closely as his disciples were.

Mathew and John were both written by Mathew and John both disciples of Jesus Christ.

Josephus (c. 37–100 AD) – A Jewish historian. In Antiquities of the Jews, he references Jesus as a wise man who was crucified under Pilate and had followers. A longer passage includes mention of the resurrection but is widely considered altered by later Christian editors.


Tacitus (c. 56–120 AD) – A Roman historian who wrote in Annals that "Christus... suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius, at the hands of... Pontius Pilate." He confirms the execution of Jesus and the existence of Christians in Rome.


Pliny the Younger (c. 61–113 AD) – A Roman governor who wrote to Emperor Trajan about early Christians worshipping Christ “as to a god.” He documents Christian practice and devotion early in the second century.


Suetonius (c. 69–122 AD) – A Roman historian who mentions disturbances in Rome caused by “Chrestus,” likely a reference to Christ.


They show Jesus was a historical figure they don’t prove the resurrection.

 

[go_deep]

Josephus (c. 37–100 AD) – A Jewish historian. In Antiquities of the Jews, he references Jesus as a wise man who was crucified under Pilate and had followers. A longer passage includes mention of the resurrection but is widely considered altered by later Christian editors.


Tacitus (c. 56–120 AD) – A Roman historian who wrote in Annals that "Christus... suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius, at the hands of... Pontius Pilate." He confirms the execution of Jesus and the existence of Christians in Rome.


Pliny the Younger (c. 61–113 AD) – A Roman governor who wrote to Emperor Trajan about early Christians worshipping Christ “as to a god.” He documents Christian practice and devotion early in the second century.


Suetonius (c. 69–122 AD) – A Roman historian who mentions disturbances in Rome caused by “Chrestus,” likely a reference to Christ.


They show Jesus was a historical figure they don’t prove the resurrection.

There's one of two things going on with your thought process here, since your still posting here.
One, you know there's truth in the Bible, your struggling with it inside and your heart wants to believe, but your mind says I need to see proof.

Or two, you just really like to argue.

I don't care what you tell me, you just need to tell yourself the truth, that's what matters.

 

[Beagle1]

The second part

These videos show scripture was written and copied well over centuries. But they do not verify the supernatural truth claims those texts contain especially the miraculous ones.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

lol…I said a moron not a Mormon. No offense to Mormons or morons.

yesterday was a long day and i totally missed that HAHA!!. well either way, no hard feelings!

 

[Texasbuckeye]

I stand by my post.

“Everyone who has tried has had to admit that the facts written in the New Testament happened.”

On the resurrection we have no contemporaneous Roman records, no writings from neutral witnesses, and the Gospels were written decades later by anonymous authors. Numerous religious scholars have discussed this at length. Jesus rising from the dead is not a settled historical fact.

Ok so you are going to prove to us something claimed in the new testament that has been proven wrong?

or do you take issue with the way that sentence is worded…that everyone has had to admit that the facts written in the new testament happened?

On the resurrection, i will take the atheists viewpoint on it, just because it works for y’all on creation and beginnings of life, so lets use the same argument…jesus had to have resurrected because christianity exists today. Logically, that should suffice for all you non-believers since it works so well for you on creation of life and origins of life.

To be more thorough, without the resurrection, the movement of christianity would not exist since the early followers saw jesus as a earthly conquerer and not a figurative salvation. They didn’t get the concept and would not have made up a resurrection because it was not something they understood. They were hiding out of fear from the romans and the jews after jesus was killed, and even the strongest of the followers denied he even knew jesus three times prior to, but yet after the resurrection willingly was crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to die the same detah as Jesus. The transformation that took place among the apostles was nothing short of a miracle, and was caused by the miracle of the resurrection.

But go ahead and disprove the resurrection. Simply saying there is no historical record is not true. Since the Bible is a historical record, as the videos posted show quite well and research continues to show. Show us how the Bible is wrong.

 

[dylanvb]

These videos show scripture was written and copied well over centuries. But they do not verify the supernatural truth claims those texts contain especially the miraculous ones.

No but they do point to the historicity and truth of the Bible.

 

[Beagle1]

The second part

These videos show scripture was written and copied well over the centuries. But they do not verify the supernatural truth claims those texts contain especially the miraculous ones.

 

[dylanvb]

Another good listen

 

[Beagle1]

There's one of two things going on with your thought process here, since your still posting here.
One, you know there's truth in the Bible, your struggling with it inside and your heart wants to believe, but your mind says I need to see proof.

Or two, you just really like to argue.

I don't care what you tell me, you just need to tell yourself the truth, that's what matters.

I engage in these discussions not because I’m secretly struggling or just want to argue, but because the ideas of God are kind of a big deal, wouldn’t you agree. If those beliefs are true, they should be able to withstand scrutiny. If not, I’m not interested in pretending they are just to feel good.

You might find meaning in the Bible and assume others deep down must feel the same. But not everyone experiences the Bible the same way or sees the evidence for it as convincing. Some of us aren’t on the verge of belief. We’re just genuinely unconvinced by the theological claims and looking for more than emotional reasoning.

 

[dylanvb]

You chose to not believe because lack of evidence, I chose to believe despite the lack of evidence. This is faith. I don’t know how many times it needs to be repeated but you cannot be saved without faith.

The videos I post take away any credibility argument about the Bible. It is undeniable.

 

[Beagle1]

Ok so you are going to prove to us something claimed in the new testament that has been proven wrong?

or do you take issue with the way that sentence is worded…that everyone has had to admit that the facts written in the new testament happened?

On the resurrection, i will take the atheists viewpoint on it, just because it works for y’all on creation and beginnings of life, so lets use the same argument…jesus had to have resurrected because christianity exists today. Logically, that should suffice for all you non-believers since it works so well for you on creation of life and origins of life.

To be more thorough, without the resurrection, the movement of christianity would not exist since the early followers saw jesus as a earthly conquerer and not a figurative salvation. They didn’t get the concept and would not have made up a resurrection because it was not something they understood. They were hiding out of fear from the romans and the jews after jesus was killed, and even the strongest of the followers denied he even knew jesus three times prior to, but yet after the resurrection willingly was crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to die the same detah as Jesus. The transformation that took place among the apostles was nothing short of a miracle, and was caused by the miracle of the resurrection.

But go ahead and disprove the resurrection. Simply saying there is no historical record is not true. Since the Bible is a historical record, as the videos posted show quite well and research continues to show. Show us how the Bible is wrong.

No one can disprove the resurrection in the same way no one can disprove any supernatural claim. I saw a ghost last night - disprove it. That’s the nature of faith based beliefs: they exist outside the realm of testable, repeatable evidence. But the burden of proof isn’t on skeptics to disprove it’s on you to prove it with verifiable evidence.

Christianity occurred so the resurrection must have. By that logic, the existence of Islam proves Muhammad received divine revelation from Gabriel, or the existence of Mormonism proves Joseph Smith was visited by an angel with golden plates.

The disciples wouldn’t lie. Sincere belief doesn’t prove truth. All of the disciples statements are second hand and written by unknown authors many years after the events occurred.

The Bible has never been proven wrong. This isn’t accurate. Scholars, both secular and religious, debate these things all the time. You know that.

Calling the Bible a historical document is fair in the same way we consider other ancient religious texts historical, they reflect the beliefs and values of the time, but they don’t prove supernatural events just because they record them.

 

[Beagle1]

Inside your faith based belief world yes. Outside of it no.

 

[go_deep]

@Beagle001

"If those beliefs are true, they should be able to withstand scrutiny."

The oldest Bible text are dated to be about 3,000 years old, and those writings translate the exact same in my Bible today.
The Christian Faith has been scrutinized everyday day of every year since and before, yet here it stands, on the very same rock that Jesus told Peter he would build his church, with no wavering message, the way, the truth, and the life. No man made empire, army, or any other thing can even come close to that kind of stability in length of time. If Christianity were fake, just a feel good thing, something to give people false hope, I would have given it at best a few hundred years, yet, it's stood the test of time being scrutinized everyday, all day.

 

[Beagle1]

@Beagle001

"If those beliefs are true, they should be able to withstand scrutiny."

The oldest Bible text are dated to be about 3,000 years old, and those writings translate the exact same in my Bible today.
The Christian Faith has been scrutinized everyday day of every year since and before, yet here or stands, on the very same rock that Jesus told Peter he would build his church, with no wavering message, the way, the truth, and the life. No man made empire, army, or any other thing can even come close to that kind of stability in length of time. If Christianity were fake, just a feel good thing, something to give people false hope, I would have given it at best a few hundred years, yet, it's stood the test of time being scrutinized everyday, all day.

Christianity’s endurance is impressive, but longevity doesn’t prove divine truth. Many ancient religions like Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism also predate it and continue to thrive. The claim that the Bible hasn’t changed is not accurate. We don’t have the originals, What we have are handwritten copies of copies made over centuries. Christianity’s message has evolved significantly, with major early disputes and over 45,000 denominations today. Religions can persist for centuries not because they’re objectively true, but because they subjectively connect to the believer. So the real question isn’t how long Christianity has lasted, but whether its claims especially about the supernatural hold up under objective analysis.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

I saw a ghost last night is easy, have 40+ people witness the same ghost that then changes their life so profoundly they are willing to walk into the colliseum to be killed. Not slaves, but people killed for their belief.

Would you die for your ghost? You probably wouldn’t even make a single change to your life for your ghost.

I am not saying this proves anything, but it is telling that enough early christians were killed for their belief in the resurrection. That lind of dedication takes some balls. Do you have that dedication to anything? Maybe your family, maybe some friends…why? Because you have known them, you have seen them.

Thats the early christians. They were willing to change their lives and die for something they saw, something they knew. To tale that fact out of context is a very disingenuous argument and you know it.