I think you’re missing the point that energy doesn’t matter. A bullet needs velocity to expand and expansion to destroy tissue and destroyed tissue kills animals. Energy is an irrelevant number for hunting writers to use to compare cartridges and say one is better than the other. Energy does not kill period.
Bullet energy does not determine lethality, wound channel size, etc... This has been disproven ad nauseum on this site by folks way smarter with more experience than me. As mentioned before, expansion and terminal performance are most reliably measured by impact velocity. Bullet manufacturers publish the minimum impact velocity for their bullets to provide acceptable terminal performance.
Correct, you need velocity for the bullet to expand and do the work (provide the energy). In his example, the 300WM has higher velocity at 500 yards than the 25-06 and the ability to do greater work. Irregardless of the cartridge you still have to be able to place the bullet properly for any of the impact characteristics to work.
I don't think we are in disagreement about anything. But you did cherry pick the bullets since you were originally using the 110 and the 178 which are similar in the fact that they are the "factory standards" for each cartridge. You then jumped to the 133g and left the 308 at 180g. Make it the 215 Berge in the 308 at 2910 (my load) and the difference changes.
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There isn’t really such a thing as “more” lethal. Dead is dead
Yeah, it’s a real thing. The animal that gets away before dying is also dead, and there are a lot of them.
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True but in a majority of animals that got away it was probably a bad shot, not a small caliber. As far as saying that in the field side by side a larger caliber is more lethal with equal shot placement and equal bullet design, yes a larger caliber can cause a larger wound cavity. However in the field the lighter recoiling cartridge will lead to better shot placement, therefore making it the “more lethal” option.
Using that logic we’d all be shooting .22 hornet. It’s a fallacy perpetrated by guys who don’t like recoil. There’s nothing wrong with being recoil sensitive. My 1st wife shoots a short little 7mag as well as a .243, and she never shot a lot.
No you’re taking it to an extreme to prove your point. A 22 hornet does not produce adequate wound channels. There is a middle ground that exists that has low recoil and great killing ability. If you disagree and think larger is required that’s fine and I won’t try and stop you. But saying that the only reason someone would use a lighter cartridge is because they are a big pussy is just ignorant and wrong.
If we're doing the "your logic to the extreme" thing then we'd be shooting 50 BMG. But it turns out that's a lazy and nonsensical way to try to argue a point.
I am not sure we are on the same page because comparing 110g to a 178g at 400fps slower impact velocity is irrelevant to me.
I’m glad we’re in agreement, and I’m trying to make best comparisons possible.
No, I agree the shooter has to be able to accurately shoot. I know my limit and stay well under it. There’s nothing wrong with shooting a smaller caliber as long as you know it’s limits.
