The 22 creedmoor thread

[swavescatter]

Is that a 22 Creed problem or ELDM problem?

Great question. Seems the bullets are the common denominator and seem very picky...

 

[justin davis]

Is that a 22 Creed problem or ELDM problem?

I think it’s an ELDM thing as the bergers don’t do that in my gun

 

[justin davis]

So I got a few of the new 69 ELDVt bullets. I loaded them up and ran a ladder velocity test using N555 powder. Hornady lists 45.6 as max for N555 and 68/69 bullets. I started at 44.5 and went up to 46.5.

I then loaded a few at 46 grains.
Shot a few at 100


Then I shot 3 shots at 500.

 

[waspocrew]

So I got a few of the new 69 ELDVt bullets. I loaded them up and ran a ladder velocity test using N555 powder


Shot a few at 100


Then I shot 3 shots at 500.

Barrel length?

 

[justin davis]

Barrel length?

24”

 

[ACHILLES]

What's the consensus on rechambering a Tikka factory barrel to 22cm? Is the barrel life as good as prefits and shoot as well? Worth doing?

Is that a 22 Creed problem or ELDM problem?

My rechambered tikka barrel to 22creed has been great has over 600rounds through it now. Running it hard in hot weather 5-10 shot strings and it still shoots 1.1” 10 shots groups at 100 with no tuning to my original load. Although it has lost some velocity.

I don’t think it’s a problem for either the bullet or the cartridge. Some rifles just don’t like certain bullets. If eldm or x’s don’t shoot just switch to Sierra or berger if either of those don’t shoot it’s probably a barrel, gunsmithing, or shooter/reloader issue.
My tikka 223 8” and 22creed from a reamed out tikka 223 8” bbl both shot the 80eldms eldms great. The creed shoots .7” 10shots groups with no load development when new. It’s also shot 5 3shot groups at 750yd that were 1.2-1.9”. The .223 shoots 5 shot groups in the .3s at 100 with the second or 3rd load I tried.
My 7.5” twist 22arc shoots 88eldms great with factory ammo. Your 7.7” twist bartlien should be great for eldms or if you want to rechamber a tikka that’s a good cheaper option also.

 

[ACHILLES]

I think it’s an ELDM thing as the bergers don’t do that in my gun

In general, I think bergers have the potential to shoot better but Hornady’s bullets can shoot great too. If you measure the bearing surface consistency between both brands in several calibers and bullet lines for each it becomes more obvious why that is. I have never been to a bench rest match. But when the highest accuracy requirements are needed I doubt competitors are using eldms majorly to compete. But hunting accuracy requirements are much more forgiving in comparison of course.

 

[wirehead]

In general, I think bergers have the potential to shoot better but Hornady’s bullets can shoot great too. If you measure the bearing surface consistency between both brands in several calibers and bullet lines for each it becomes more obvious why that is. I have never been to a bench rest match. But when the highest accuracy requirements are needed I doubt competitors are using eldms majorly to compete. But hunting accuracy requirements are much more forgiving in comparison of course.

So what’s the best performing Berger 224 hunting bullet for 22 Creed?

 

[ACHILLES]

I have only killed stuff with the 80gr eldms and 90gr SMK’s in the creed. I tried the eldms first and they were cheap, have a high bc, and shot well right off the bat so I had no need to try another bullet as they performed well terminally also. I have berger 85.5gr LRHT’s and 80.5gr full bores but haven't shot anything with them yet.

I would start with the 80.5gr fullbores. They’re designed for competition, to feed well from magazines, and they have a less aggressive tangent ogive that’s generally less sensitive to seating depth. These designs are generally much easier to tune for accuracy at the cost of having slightly lower bc’s than vld profiles with secant ogives.

 

[Split toe]

I saw Midway USA had some of the new hornady 69 eldvts. I might order a box and try them out. I was listening to the hornady guys and it sounded like they worked better on coyotes than the 62’s. Some people had issues with the 62’s splashing

I was listening to that podcast as well. I'm having a hard time believing that them coming out with the 69eldvts is nothing more than a marketing scheme versus them being so much better than the 62 eldvts.

 

[Dan Carey]

Hornady is making bullets for a wide variety of 224 rifles. If they were really serious that would make a few bullets for the super 224's like the 220 swift and the 22-250 as well as the 22 CM. They make their varmint bullets to work with the 223 Rem as well as the 220 swift.

 

[omicron1792]

Hornady is making bullets for a wide variety of 224 rifles. If they were really serious that would make a few bullets for the super 224's like the 220 swift and the 22-250 as well as the 22 CM. They make their varmint bullets to work with the 223 Rem as well as the 220 swift.

The 62 and 69 eldvt, hornady’s premium varmint bullet, is designed specifically for the “super” 224s. They are too long for most standard 223 rifles.

Hornady doesn’t make a factory load for 223 with these bullets

 

[justin davis]

I was listening to that podcast as well. I'm having a hard time believing that them coming out with the 69eldvts is nothing more than a marketing scheme versus them being so much better than the 62 eldvts.

Yea I’ll be curious to try them out. Heard alot of negative reports of the 62’s out of 22 creedmoor velocity’s splashing and not anchoring coyotes.

 

[omicron1792]

Yea I’ll be curious to try them out. Heard alot of negative reports of the 62’s out of 22 creedmoor velocity’s splashing and not anchoring coyotes.

Pretty telling those boys with horizon in Texas are really going with the 69s. I believe the extra weight will be all positive.

 

[z987k]

Hornady is making bullets for a wide variety of 224 rifles. If they were really serious that would make a few bullets for the super 224's like the 220 swift and the 22-250 as well as the 22 CM. They make their varmint bullets to work with the 223 Rem as well as the 220 swift.

They do.

 

[Dan Carey]

I don't see it that way. Show me where on the box it says anything about required or recommended velocity for these bullets.

 

[omicron1792]

I don't see it that way. Show me where on the box it says anything about required or recommended velocity for these bullets.

Say what?

 

[z987k]

I don't see it that way. Show me where on the box it says anything about required or recommended velocity for these bullets.

Show me any factory box of ammo that has the velocity window of the bullet on it.

They make the new edl-vt and the 80+gr bullets than need a 7 twist. How is that not specifically for the "super" 224s?

An 88 out of a 22 creed isn't even crazy fast.

 

[Dan Carey]

Last I heard 62 grain and 69 grain were the heaviest varmint bullet Hornady is making. enlighten me.

 

[z987k]

Last I heard 62 grain and 69 grain were the heaviest varmint bullet Hornady is making. enlighten me.

The 69 eld-vt is. Why do you think you can't use that in a 22 creed?